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Offline 74 challenge

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Hi Guys,

I am continuing on the saga of my intake manifold. It leaks oil from the back seal that goes parallel to the firewall. What are some of the effects of a poorly sealed intake manifold? My engine is just not running right and before I take a "throw money at the problem" stance I want to try and sort this logically. Low power? poor fuel consumption? poor vacuum? inconsistent vacuum? what are the indicators of an improperly sealed intake.

Another potential issue is my parts guy here seems to think my edelbrock intake is for a 340 engine and not for a 318 thus causing my sealing issues, but I do not know any way by looking at the exterior of the intake, nor do I see any visible numbers. Could this be an issue? How do I tell? It's an Edelbrock performer, if that helps.

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Most LA intakes are designed for large prot 340/ 360 heads , the LD4B is one of the only small port 318 intakes I am aware of .  The effects could be all of the above + oil consumtion & foulded plugs , iratic idle & vacuum , poor milage & power , water leaks / loss

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Most LA intakes are designed for large prot 340/ 360 heads , the LD4B is one of the only small port 318 intakes I am aware of .  The effects could be all of the above + oil consumtion & foulded plugs , iratic idle & vacuum , poor milage & power , water leaks / loss

what about the edelbrock 2176?
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The application says 360 so it would have the large ports

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When you change the intake gaskets, see how they match up with the head and the intake to make sure there are no gaps in the ports and don't use the gaskets on the front and back. Just use a bead of black silicone. If the heads were cut at all the front and rear gaskets might be holding the intake to high to seal on the heads and the silicone will just squish out to what you need. The oil pressure switch is back there also. Make sure that's not where your leak is coming from.

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I ve had the  2176 EDE Intake ( Performer )   that intake has  small ports ! My 340 has way bigger intake ports, than the runners in the EDE intake

With the EDE Performer...my 340 ran like crap...   Now with the good old Iron Intake from 1971....  the car makes a lot of fun


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just place intake on heads, without gasket, and measure around to see what gaps are.  Machine
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Not really anything to do with helping to diagnose the problem, but kind of related just the same.

Back when I was 19 I bought my first E-body which I believed to be a '72 Chally 340 Rallye. I didn't know anything about VIN, Fender-Tag, or engine block codes so I just had to believe what my eyes were seeing. The "340" looked all OEM complete with iron four-barrel intake and a Thermoquad topped by a factory orange dual snorkel "340 four-barrel" stickered air cleaner. A few weeks later a Mopar knowledgeable friend was checking out my new ride and commented that the exhaust manifolds didn't look like 340 manifolds. He then rubbed the block clean below the front of the left cylinder head and sure enough it was a 318. Further digging revealed the heads to be 318 too. Someone had swapped on a 340 induction system and a couple of "340 four barrel" emblems to the hood and I bought it hook line and sinker. I was pissed!

But here is the deal, even though it had the big port 340 intake grossly mis-matched to the small port 318 heads; it ran like a champ! It wasn't a power-house, but it had a smooth silky idle, ran out really well and was relatively good on gas mileage. From how it ran, I would never had known any differently if someone hadn't pointed it out to me.

As for your problem, they may, or may not be related.

Oil leak on the back edge of the intake should not have anything to do with driveability. The seal could be leaking just because it was installed improperly, is old and brittle, or any number of things. If everything else is okay, an oil leak from that seal should have no effect on the driveability of the engine ... unless ... it is leaking there (and probably in the front too) because the intake manifold can not come down enough to put the necessary compression on the seal. What would cause that? If the block or block mating surface of the heads have been milled without the intake mating surface of the heads or intake manifold being milled, the intake will sit up "high" on the heads and not align properly. In extreme cases it will be so misaligned that you can't even get the intake bolted up to the heads! If you can get it bolted up to the heads you could have oil leaks front and rear, coolant leaks, and yes, vacuum leaks from the misaligned ports. However, since you state that yours is only leaking from the rear seal, I would assume that the alignment of the intake is not the issue and that you just have an oil leak, and a driveability problem that is not associated to the oil leak.

Driveability issues can be any number of things. Given the symptoms that you cited (low power, poor economy, low vacuum, inconsistent vacuum) I would start with the basics:

  • Visually inspect for something obvious - inspect all vacuum lines and hoses for proper fit and function. Inspect PCV valve and ensure PCV hose is not clogged.
  • Inspect carb and manifold gaskets for damage (I had one where a corner of the carb base gasket was literally gone!). You could check for vacuum leak by carefully spraying engine cold starting fluid at carb base gasket and intake manifold gaskets (this is my personal technique and I am not saying that you should do it as starting fluid is extremely flammable. Proceed with extreme caution if you do). If the engine speed increases when you do - you have a vacuum leak at that point.
  • Complete a compression test - first dry and then wet (a little oil injected into the spark plug hole).
  • Complete a leak-down test. This is one of my favorite diagnostic tools as if you do have low compression it will help determine whether or not the problem is due to worn cylinders/rings, valves, head gasket, or any combination of them.


Good luck and keep us posted on your progress! :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: May 12, 2015 - 05:45:39 PM by RzeroB »
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Offline 74 challenge

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Thanks Rzero, I am abut to check out these things. just in case I do have some compression issues I do have a line on a 360.

I will keep you posted!
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Offline 73_Cuda_4_Me

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You are SURE it is the rear intake seal, and not the oil sender??? It is mounted to the same surface, and runs down the back side of the engine... (Don't ask how I might know this...)

Vacuum gauge would be a quick indicator if seal is leaking...
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