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Offline EbodyMod

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dyno computer simulators
« on: November 15, 2015 - 03:11:08 PM »
 :wavingflag: Just for giggles does anyone here use computer dyno simulator software?  I am 95% sure on my engine combo but would feel better to see a little more data.  If anyone is using these what are you using and how much did it run? I am looking at a couple and all the free versions are crap. don't want to drop a hundred bucks on junk :working: 
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Re: dyno computer simulators
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2015 - 07:39:34 PM »
Dyno simulators are simply not that good unless you've got a very mild combo. They're really only good to polt rends in changes - not to give exact amounts for those changes. That being said - I've got Pipemax and Performance Trend's Engine Analyzer Pro. I used to use them frequently. Larry Meaux's Pipemax is quite accurate and under $100 IIRC. I think I got it for $79 or something. It was some years ago. I haven't played too much with EAP yet. The PC it's on is only partially functional...lol.

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Re: dyno computer simulators
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2015 - 09:56:54 PM »
 :wavingflag: Yeah I know most are not that accurate but I want to shoot for 500hp, and trying to figure that out is crazy. I have been looking at a lot of other builds and trying to mimic them with some tweaks I am hoping I am getting the most bang for my buck
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Re: dyno computer simulators
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2015 - 10:43:23 AM »
Go to moparts and look up the default 500 hp combo.

I've used dyno programs before and I  find they are a bit optimistic but their best value is in evaluating the impact of changes in combos.

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Re: dyno computer simulators
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2015 - 08:43:59 PM »
Desktop Dyno is notoriously generous; EA Pro is actually pretty good if you have detailed information like port flow numbers, etc.  It's still not something you can bet money on, of course, but as mentioned it's great for identifying trends if you have enough information to satisfy every option it offers.

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Re: dyno computer simulators
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2015 - 08:59:09 PM »
In terms of simulators - the more they cost the more potential they have to be more accurate. Pipemax is very accurate but you really, really need to know what you're doing to get everything the program can give you, and the outputs can be dificult to read. It's not designed to be "easy". Even the best is still dependent on solid inputs like Sinatra said.
As for the basics - you don't need a simulation is you follow these guidelines:
1. Smaller head chambers, matched with a quench dished piston brought proud of the blueprint deck height will yield a great, pump gas friendly package around 10.25:1 static with the Felpro 1008 gasket.
2. Choose heads and cam together based on your needs. Take the cam's advertised lift on the intake side, subtract 30% for durations less than 240 degrees, and look at the flow numbers for that lift of your heads. Multiply that flow number by 2, and you have a good idea what the engine will make. Using what you've posted: 70% intake lift for the "704" cam is .350". At that lift, the 360-1s flow around 240 cfm in ported as delievered from Indy. So I'd put the horsepower in the 480-490 area based on the choices. I think you're pretty close to what you want.