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Offline GreenFish

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I'm getting ready to swap my balancer. I ordered a install/removal tool kit but I realized I'm going to run into the problem of the engine turning over on me when I do so. Can I use a TDC tool to stop the pistons? I'm afraid that may damage the pistons. any other options to keep the engine still with a manual trans?
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Re: Installing a balancer using a piston stop tool to keep from rotating?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2015 - 02:26:50 PM »
I stop mine from rotating by putting something thru the flexplate that stops it at the block edge, but thats an automatic, don't know what a manual tranny looks like there, if there is a hole you can use. Probably not the correct way, but it works.
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Re: Installing a balancer using a piston stop tool to keep from rotating?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2015 - 03:01:15 PM »
As Sound Control mentioned lock the balancer....
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Re: Installing a balancer using a piston stop tool to keep from rotating?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2015 - 04:41:12 PM »
I'm getting ready to swap my balancer. I ordered a install/removal tool kit but I realized I'm going to run into the problem of the engine turning over on me when I do so. Can I use a TDC tool to stop the pistons? I'm afraid that may damage the pistons. any other options to keep the engine still with a manual trans?

Um... Leave it in gear?

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Re: Installing a balancer using a piston stop tool to keep from rotating?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2015 - 05:35:45 PM »
Removing the balancer with a puller has not been any problem on my 340, and I've done both engines several times... and you could always put a big pry bar in the bolts of the puller while tightening the puller screw.. that will prevent the puller and balancer from turning...

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Re: Installing a balancer using a piston stop tool to keep from rotating?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2015 - 05:48:13 PM »
Removing the balancer with a puller has not been any problem on my 340, and I've done both engines several times... and you could always put a big pry bar in the bolts of the puller while tightening the puller screw.. that will prevent the puller and balancer from turning...

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Re: Installing a balancer using a piston stop tool to keep from rotating?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2015 - 08:57:21 PM »
When installing the balancer, put a little never-sieze on crank and balancer... should be able to use ratchet and socket to get completely on, then use screwdriver on flywheel ring gear or clutch pressure plate to bell housing, and torque crank balancer bolt to spec...
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Re: Installing a balancer using a piston stop tool to keep from rotating?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2015 - 11:09:36 PM »
If you have the right tool, the crank won't spin. One wrench holds the crank via the screw of the tool, the other turns the outer install "nut" to push on the balancer.

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Re: Installing a balancer using a piston stop tool to keep from rotating?
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2015 - 07:18:38 AM »
Thanks for all the replies guys. I'm going to give it a go soon as the tool arrives
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Re: Installing a balancer using a piston stop tool to keep from rotating?
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2015 - 07:40:36 AM »
I knew there was a more proffessional way, please post a picture of that tool when you get it, never seen one.
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Re: Installing a balancer using a piston stop tool to keep from rotating?
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2015 - 09:36:12 AM »
I bought this kit, showed up yesterday. going to try and get the balance off tonight if I have time. Ill send an update

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Re: Installing a balancer using a piston stop tool to keep from rotating?
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2015 - 06:55:27 PM »
A better way to stop the engine turning is to use a soft nylon rope & feed in as much as possible this will spread the load over a much wider surface area

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Re: Installing a balancer using a piston stop tool to keep from rotating?
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2015 - 01:02:38 PM »
Got the old one off and the new one on. Easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy

The OTC puller/installer set is excellent. Pulled the old one off and put the new one on like I knew what I was doing. Made easy work of it. It did not require anything to hold the engine still it does it itself or you can hold it if it does turn by putting a wrench the end of the installer.

Here is where I bought it. I recommend this tool.
http://www.cpooutlets.com/otc-tools-and-equipment-4531-heavy-duty-harmonic-balancer-puller-installer-set/otcn4531,default,pd.html?start=7&q=otc%20puller
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Re: Installing a balancer using a piston stop tool to keep from rotating?
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2015 - 04:25:07 PM »
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R11 V6X EN2
M21 M25 M31 M88 N41 N42
V1X U B41 C56 G37 J54
JY9 A6X9 0 703 501616
E55 D34 BS23 H3B 567783