Author Topic: Alterkation (Read 5025 times)

Lovemy440 · « **on:** May 04, 2005 - 10:19:47 PM »

Anyone have exp with the alterKtion front suspension?any info would help

Chryco Psycho · « **Reply #1 on:** May 05, 2005 - 12:05:53 AM »

of all the rack fornt K frame conversions this is the best one although I still would want a sway bar

CFster · « **Reply #2 on:** June 02, 2005 - 05:19:35 PM »

Just installed one on my 64 Polara. Definitely an improvement over stock - and I haven't even had time to fool around with alignment settings yet.

If you don't know the details, it uses Mustang II spindles which pretty much means the sky's the limit for brakes. Also it has a Flaming River manual rack - but you can do a power rack as well. Mine doesn't have a swaybar, but Bill Reilly will tell you that it has more roll resistance than stock anyway - much more. He is however, offering it now with a swaybar option for those who want it.

If you go to his site, you'll see charts that shows how the alignment travels depending on suspension travel - there are no bumpsteer issues.

He can make a frame for you with motor mounts in the stock location, or moved back per your needs. Or, he can leave mounts out, of you want to use a plate.

It's probably 95% bolt on. The only cutting required was the removal of the upper control arm bump stops (a spot weld drill took care of that). And I don't think you have to do that for all years either. Other than that it uses the stock K-frame mounting holes and bolts. It also uses the stock upper control arm mounting points. Once we had those bump stops removed, I literally bolted everything together in two hours or so - piece of cake. The only other hard part for me was getting the press pin out of the steering column shaft so I could add the extension (via two Flaming River joints) to the rack.

There are several advantages to the AlterKtion over some other systems out there. The primary one is the location of the coil over shocks. The upper mount is actually part of the K-member so it takes the weight of the car no problem. Some other systems expect you to mount coil overs into the stock upper shock mounts - sheet metal! This system was designed to come down off a wheel stand and survive. While originally designed for the strip, it is also intended for street cars. He has a wide range of shocks and springs to dial in any car for the street. And the alignment specs speak for themselves - much greater adjustability in every aspect, including ride height.

Other advantages are weight, and clearance. I put my TTI headers in without even removing the spark plugs!

The only disadvantage I've come across so far is poor turning radius. But that only manifests itself while parking so I'll live with it.

The Cuda Guy · « **Reply #3 on:** June 02, 2005 - 05:23:29 PM »

That is a beautiful car you have.

Cuda Guy

MEK-Dangerfield · « **Reply #4 on:** June 02, 2005 - 05:28:56 PM »

Yeah,
Those 64's were something. :thumbs: Love the push button transmission. I'm sorry they ever did away with that.

Mike

A110235 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 02, 2005 - 05:41:49 PM »

Thanks for posting the pics and info CFster! I have thought about going the alterKation route before and I wondered how well it worked.

4Cruizn · « **Reply #6 on:** June 02, 2005 - 06:00:54 PM »

Thats a nice setup!! Gonna be sweet!! :thumbs:

Btch n Blue · « **Reply #7 on:** June 02, 2005 - 06:19:22 PM »

Sweeeeeet!!! :thumbs:

:cool:

Now... I know they're not cheap... what did that run you if you don't mind me asking...? :dontknow:

Mt.St.BigBlock · « **Reply #8 on:** June 02, 2005 - 07:51:34 PM »

Very nice post CFster!! Thanks for info and very nice car! Those torque thrust D's are just perfect
for that era. Even though I'm a newbie here myself, welcome aboard!! Jeff

CFster · « **Reply #9 on:** June 02, 2005 - 09:08:37 PM »

Thanks for the compliments folks! I'm new here, but have been lurking for a while. I actually bounce around a couple other boards, mostly over at BigBlockDart as those are the guys that have the AlterKtion. Not really any other boards out there for Polaras!

Quote from: B*tch 'n Blue on June 02, 2005 - 06:19:22 PM

Sweeeeeet!!! :thumbs: :cool:

Now... I know they're not cheap... what did that run you if you don't mind me asking...? :dontknow:

Around $3600 with the 12.19" Wilwood brake setup. The brakes accounted for $650 of that but there are several other less expensive options out there. In retrospect, I think I would have chosen the 12.90" 6 piston setup if I knew then what I know now about their brakes. Nothing bad, just that their calipers are extremely compact. I bought these 16" Torq Thrust II's thinking I would need them to clear the brakes. Turns out my old Torq Thrust Ds (15") actually cleared. Upon further inspection I discovered that I could fit the larger brakes into the 16s as well if I had wanted to. Maybe a future upgrade.

Anyway, there were a few other things done to the car as well:

383 rebuild to 9.5:1 with Eddy heads, RPM intake, Speed Demon 750, TTI headers going into TTI 3" exhaust with an H-pipe
Ported mechanical Carter pump from Don at FBO systems, including a dual feed kit with AN fittings
Keisler Tremec TKO-600 5spd trans with hydraulic clutch
Griffin radiator with dual Spal electric fans
March serpentine pulley setup
"Dr. Diff" 741 rear with 3.55s and TSM rear disc brakes
Firmfeel rear sway bar
All new lines from Inline Tube, sender, gas tank

Right now, I'm working on getting the front end alignment settings straightened out, and am battling a hot running condition with the motor.
It seems to want to break up under acceleration after it's warmed up. I might have the carb jetted to rich, or maybe it's an ignition problem.

cudacharlie · « **Reply #10 on:** June 03, 2005 - 11:30:35 PM »

Many thanks CFster for the AltherKtion pics! :worship:

One additional question: It looks like the AlterKtion setup has a little less ground clearance than stock k-frame/oilpan setup.... Can you comment on that? How much lower is it when all is said and done?

Thanks!

Chryco Psycho · « **Reply #11 on:** June 03, 2005 - 11:58:27 PM »

thanks for the great pix :thumbs:

CFster · « **Reply #12 on:** June 04, 2005 - 10:38:13 AM »

Quote from: cudacharlie on June 03, 2005 - 11:30:35 PM

Many thanks CFster for the AltherKtion pics!� �:worship:

One additional question:� It looks like the AlterKtion setup has a little less ground clearance than stock k-frame/oilpan setup....� Can you comment on that?� How much lower is it when all is said and done?

Thanks!

It does sit lower than stock - but not by much. If you look at the picture of my car again, you'll see two bumps on the bottom - those are the steering rack mount brackets. Those are the lowest points on the K frame. They are actually only 1/4" lower than the stock crossmember.� Remember a factory K has a slant to it - not that flat surface that sticks out. So it looks like it sticks down more than it does. Some people have raised the point that the factory K's are slanted for a reason, so they'll slide up over an obstruction, instead of being caught by it. Reilly has said he's seen cars that have been wrecked with his suspension on them, and it was the only thing that survived. Frankly I'm not worried about it at the ride height I'm running. I guess it all comes down to how low you set the suspension - the car "Hammer" that was on Rides has 2" of clearance to the ground. Those guys say they build all their cars that way - I think they're either crazy, or they don't drive their cars on the street.

Actually, my biggest problem are my headers. I had no idea how low the TTI's would come down - you can't see in the pics, but they're like 4" off the ground.

BTW, I found the specs on the swaybar deal. The stock Mopar K-frame with a 1" sway bar has 880lbs of of roll resistance per degree of roll. The stock AlterKtion has 1000lbs with no bar. With a 1" bar added to the AlterKtion, it becomes 1200lbs - which may be a little much with what you can do with the rear end.

Also here is a link to a post on their board where Reilly tortures some of his control arms - interesting read.

http://www.reillymotorsports.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=suspension;action=display;num=1099857889;start=16#16

Currently his main site being revamped, so he doesn't have a lot of pricing up right now. Just give him a call - hell of nice guy and will explain everything.

He really isn't advertising the system as of yet, because he isn't geared up to mass produce the thing - so he's taking orders from people who have heard it from word of mouth. Basically, he didn't want to fall into the same trap as a certain transmission conversion kit vendor that got ahead of themselves and can't keep up with demand - now they get slammed on every board out there.

He can get a lot of stuff though that isn't listed on his website - so if you have any suspension needs give him a call.

No I'm not on the payroll. I can just appreciate a well thought out piece that you can get support for after the sale.

cudacharlie · « **Reply #13 on:** June 04, 2005 - 10:29:51 PM »

CFster -

Thanks so much for the info. The Reilly piece certainly looks to be a stronger, better-thought-out, and easier installed piece than brand MF! Having the option to run standard position motor mounts is a big plus, as a motor plate (ears) would be a little extreme for my tastes.

Althought the Reilly piece LOOKS like it hangs low because of that big, square "chin" on the front edge, it's good to hear it's not costing me three inches of ground clearance or something...

Thanks again!

BTW your ride looks BURLY!

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