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Offline Montana13

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4 link rear end on 73 Challenger
« on: February 27, 2016 - 07:07:52 PM »
Hey all-

I've decided to fabricate a 4 link set up for my 73 Challenger and was curious what LB spring rate you guys would recommend for a Pro-touring type set-up. Looking for a comfortable ride but firm in the corners. I'm thinking 200 lb springs on each corner, with adjustable coil overs. I've attached photos of the wheels I'm using, they are from a 2015 mustang GT. I have 2 different ride heights showing. Of course the mustang emblem will be removed.  :)




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Re: 4 link rear end on 73 Challenger
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2016 - 09:45:34 PM »
All girls garage did a 4-link on their sleeper cuda if you are interested. 

Offline brads70

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Re: 4 link rear end on 73 Challenger
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2016 - 10:28:12 PM »
Why are you wanting a 4 link? Like what will it do for you that the leaf springs won't?  4 links are very easy to screw up if you don't get the geometry perfect. Binding and wheel hop are common issues unless it's perfect.
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Re: 4 link rear end on 73 Challenger
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2016 - 08:23:42 AM »
Hey Brads70-

I was thinking that the 4 link was better technology and more adjustable for ride height. Also I'm in the middle of replacing frame rail sections and trunk floor pan. Agreed that that it needs to be lined up correctly for sure.

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Re: 4 link rear end on 73 Challenger
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2016 - 11:29:37 AM »
The geometry impacting the performance of the rear suspension is actually  the same between all the different styles. How they accomplish it is the differentiating factor. Adjusting ride height is only one of many parameters to evaluate.

A parallel four link system is best suited to drag racing. Its ability to adjust instant centers to create rise or squat and  increase or cushioning the hit on the tires is why it is good at this. However, it does not do as well in dealing with body roll and the  migrating roll centers creating by  rapid directional changes. It can  bind.

The alternative to this has been to use  a triangulated four link system, like RMS, which is a copy of GM A body suspension.  This brings the benefits of a suspension that is well supported laterally but brings to the table all the benefits and  shortcomings of the  original GM design.

Three link design tend to allow the best articulation for handling applications, but can be hard to package in a car keeping the back set. This limits the length of the upper arm which will  reduce some of the adjustment. XV has done the best work on this system for Mopars.

To recommend a gross spring rate without knowing a number of dimensions is like throwing darts at a board. Total vehicle weight, front/rear bias,  track width, and spring location are all factors in deciding what rate is required. 200# could be pretty harsh or soft as a marshmallow depending on these factors.

There actually is a lot of technology  built into a leaf spring system. Mopars have some of the most advanced leaf designs and layout  ever created and it does not take too much work for them to really perform well. However, a couple things all leaf suspension suffer from are that they are heavy and it is not easy to change rates. Unless you are in a position where these 2 factors are big impediments, they are  more than adequate for nearly any performance driving.

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Re: 4 link rear end on 73 Challenger
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2016 - 03:08:46 PM »
There actually is a lot of technology  built into a leaf spring system. Mopars have some of the most advanced leaf designs and layout  ever created and it does not take too much work for them to really perform well. However, a couple things all leaf suspension suffer from are that they are heavy and it is not easy to change rates. Unless you are in a position where these 2 factors are big impediments, they are  more than adequate for nearly any performance driving.

I'll add this...That's one of the reasons I went with composite leaf springs.10lbs each. Downside is they are expensive. On my application I chose a 175lb rate with was too soft so I now have 200lb which is much better but it was an expensive mistake. Another consideration is you need good shocks adjustable preferred which again... are more money. I had Bilstein RCD  and they did not work well at all with composite leaf springs! QA1 double adjustable are on now and work well.
Brad
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Barrie,Ontario,Canada
Proud to own one of the best cars ever made!!!!!

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Offline Montana13

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Re: 4 link rear end on 73 Challenger
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2016 - 09:46:48 PM »
Looking for input from folks who have actually installed a 4 link system in their cars. Thanks for the leaf spring information,  but I'm not going to use them. I realize that there are many factors in the installation, and at the moment I'm educating myself on this, not throwing darts at a board.