Skipping the Ballast Resistor?

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Offline FY1Cuda

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Skipping the Ballast Resistor?
« on: March 27, 2016 - 02:10:05 PM »
My son forwarded to me an article that says you don't need a ballast resistor if you have a no-points, electronic distributor.
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/paint-body/mopp-1110-ballast-resistor-guide-ballast-blast-off/

Has anyone done this?




Offline sassygreen

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Re: Skipping the Ballast Resistor?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2016 - 03:12:58 PM »
Did you know your engine will run without an air cleaner. It will, I tried it. The resistor is  there for a reason.

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Re: Skipping the Ballast Resistor?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2016 - 03:58:25 PM »
You can but I would run a 12 volt coil as well.

I believe the flamethrower coils are 12V
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Re: Skipping the Ballast Resistor?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2016 - 05:40:20 PM »
              If your switching from points to electronic you definately want 12V to the coil at all times. Eliminate or bypass resistor.  :2cents:

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Re: Skipping the Ballast Resistor?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2016 - 05:54:56 PM »
???

I just installed an electronic ignition conversion kit (Stock type ECU, electronic distributor and ballast)   

But I am running a MSD flame thrower coil .   

In my case above, are we saying we dont need a ballast?

Maybe running a ballast in my case above is why I dont have fire??? 

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Re: Skipping the Ballast Resistor?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2016 - 06:12:51 PM »
  The purpose of the ballast resistor on point type ignition was to reduce the voltage to the coil when the engine was running, otherwise the points would burn up quickly.  When the engine was cranking to start the resistor was bypassed to allow for faster starts. Now that was on the 2 wire resistors. I honestly have not studied the 4 wire Chrysler resistors and why they used them on early electronic distributors. I also don't understand the function of the ECU, but an easy test would be just run a wire from battery positive to coil positive, see what happens.         :rebel:

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Re: Skipping the Ballast Resistor?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2016 - 09:11:11 PM »
On my Firecore RTR Distributor and coil I removed the ballast and tied the green and brown wires together, if this helps.

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Re: Skipping the Ballast Resistor?
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2016 - 09:30:22 PM »
Stock Chrysler electronic ign requires the resistor. You can't just take the resistor out.
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Re: Skipping the Ballast Resistor?
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2016 - 11:20:32 PM »
I agree on stock 5 pin electronic ignition the ballast is used but on the after market 4 pin the dual ballast is not needed for the ECU. However  a ballast is needed for the coil. You can run a single ballast on newer ECU ignitions and be ok. If you don't run a resistor(ballast) on the coil it should state no external resistor needed. As a side note the factory ballast was also a temperature control device to adjust the coil current from idle to high rpm to help point contact wear and even with electronic ignitions to help the load on the coil.

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Re: Skipping the Ballast Resistor?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2016 - 02:55:05 PM »

The ballast resistor provides 8-10V to the coil when key on. When you start it bypasses the resistor giving a full 12V. This allows your points not to burn up like crispy bacon and your coil to spew oil.

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Re: Skipping the Ballast Resistor?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2016 - 03:58:03 PM »

I have done some more digging and it seems if you go with an ECU setup you will need to protect both the coil and the ECU. Hence the ballast resistor comes to the rescue.

I have the MSD Blaster 2 coil which has a .700 ohms resistance in it already. This is why MSD will sell you a .800 ohm resistor for a total of 1.5ohms which would put you at 8 amps for a V8 (acceptable - read below). So (for example) if you have a stock 1.2ohm resistor with a MSD Blaster 2 coil then you are at a total resistance of 1.9ohms which would affect spark. You could swap out the ballast resistor for one that is .8ohms and should have better performance and longevity.

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This is a good read for those wanting to know:
What type of coil can I use with the Ignitor™? How do I check my coils resistance? (12V negative ground only)
To determine if your systems coil is compatible with the Ignitor, some measurements should be taken prior to installation of the Ignitor. Caution… While performing this test, never leave the ignition switch on for more than 30 seconds at a time.

Set your voltmeter to a 15 or 20-volt scale. Attach an 18 or 20 AWG jumper wire from the negative coil terminal to an engine ground. Attach positive (red) lead of your voltmeter to the positive side of the coil, and the negative (black) lead to an engine ground. Turn the ignition switch to the run position. Now read the voltage at the positive coil terminal. Turn the ignition switch off. If the voltage measured is approximately 12 volts, no resistance wire is present. A typical resistance wire will provide 9 - 6 volts.

The next step is to determine the resistance in the primary ignition. Label the wires attached to the coil terminals and note their appropriate location. Make sure that the ignition switch is off and disconnect all wires from the coil. Adjust your meter to the lowest ohm scale. If you are using an analog style meter make sure to zero the needle.

Measure from the negative terminal to the positive terminal. Write your measurement down.

Now the maximum system amperage can be determined, divide your voltage measurement by your coil resistance measurement. This will give you the system current or amperage.

Four and six cylinder engines should not exceed 4 amps. Eight cylinder engines should not exceed 8 amps. If the total amperage in your system is higher than the amount recommended for your application, you should install a ballast resistor.

Example
Voltage 12
Resistance 1.5
12 / 1.5 = 8
Total amperage 8
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