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Re: Another A833 issue
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2016 - 10:34:24 AM »
if all the clutch linkage is connected you an have someone in the car depress the clutch pedal while you slide the trans in as the disc may be offcenter & binding the input shaft as it slide into the bushing

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Re: Another A833 issue
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2016 - 11:06:28 AM »
Or...
As mentioned remove clutch disc
Hand install over trans shaft to confirm it fits. Could be something as simple as a burr preventing it from going.

Check crank hole with drill also as mentioned. If it goes in with sufficient depth then install trans without clutch to ensure it fits properly.

If not then you will have to remove pilot bushing and drill deeper.
An option you could use if having to do at home manually is to leave the pilot bushing installed. Drill out the crank to that size. The pilot bushing will work as a centering and alignment guide for the drill. "On size" for the drill will not be large enough. Once crank is drilled to align and match bushing. Remove it from crank and THROW AWAY. It is no longer any good...
Now with a slightly larger drill or even a hand reamer open the hole more to provide clearance. Doesn't need to be cleared more than another 1/32. Less material removal here the easier and the better.
Install new pilot bushing and get back at it.


Even though I thru out the "at home" options I personally  would remove crank and have machined if that was needed.

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Re: Another A833 issue
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2016 - 11:06:51 AM »
if all the clutch linkage is connected you an have someone in the car depress the clutch pedal while you slide the trans in as the disc may be offcenter & binding the input shaft as it slide into the bushing

Tried that too....still no luck

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Re: Another A833 issue
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2016 - 02:10:05 PM »
Measure from the face of the transmission to the end of the input shaft and record that measurement.  Then measure from the inside of the crank hole to the mounting face of the bell housing and compare the two measurements.  This will tell you if the crank hole is deep enough to accept a full length input shaft.

As already stated some auto cars with cast cranks weren't drilled or weren't drilled deep enuf for a pilot bushing.  That was the case when I did my 727 to 833 conversion.  I ended up using the larger pilot bushing available from Brewers Performance that fits in to the converter snout on the crank....so that solved that.

I still had the issue of the input shaft being too long so I ended up cutting a little off the input shaft of the transmission as well with no ill effects.  A lot of people will say no way, don't cut the input shaft but its not a problem.  There is still plenty of the input shaft being supported thru the pilot bushing.

Another tip is this, I had to do this as well for the same issue you are having (cant get trans to fully mate with bell housing) even after cutting the input shaft and knowing for a fact it wasn't too long.  Loosen the pressure plate mounting bolts before trying to install the trans. Those plastic clutch alignment tools (I assume that's what you used) that come with the clutch kits aren't as tight fitting in the clutch disc splines as the real steel splined shaft is....so loosening the pressure plate mounting bolts allows the clutch disc to "float" and move some.....this is what worked for me when I couldn't get the trans to fully mate with the bell housing after 4-5 attempts. 

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Re: Another A833 issue
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2016 - 01:52:53 PM »
I had the transmission out on one of my cars twice and had trouble reinstalling it both times.  If you don't get it lined up precisely, it will appear to bind up about an inch before the transmission mates to the bellhousing.  At least that's what happen to me on both occasions.  Even though I had a transmission jack, I had to get a friend to help me work it around to get the alignment just right.
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Re: Another A833 issue
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2016 - 08:57:55 PM »
Looking at the picture of the threaded rod it looks like the depth is adequate 

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Re: Another A833 issue
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2016 - 08:05:39 PM »
I would round off that sharp edge on your input shaft where it's tapered and try it again. I had the same problem with mine when I switched to the 4 speed, I had everything aligned and still couldn't get it to go the last inch. I finally ended up just using longer bolts and pulled it in the last inch with a turn at a time on the bolts with no problems. It has to be a tight fit as you can tell when you put your bearing on the shaft to check it and that ridge at the taper could be where it is hanging up since it only goes in about and inch once it hits the bearing.
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Re: Another A833 issue
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2016 - 01:38:53 PM »
Alright gentlemen the trans in installed!  A buddy came and lent a hand.  He suggested one of us engage the clutch while the other tried to shove it in.  While I had already tried that method with no success I was game for anything.  Guess what, IT WORKED!  I fought that damn thing for hours and we had it in within a minute!  So here's my next problem..I got the trans filled back up with 140W gear oil as it calls for in the service manual and this damn thing is super hard to shift.  I can understand its newly rebuilt and the oil is still working itself into the gears but it just seems like it's a lot harder than it should be.  Does anyone have any experience with this?

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Re: Another A833 issue
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2016 - 02:58:23 PM »

Wow 140W will take some time to heat up and make the shifting smooth.

I would have went with an 80W or ATF like I just recently did on my ride.
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Re: Another A833 issue
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2016 - 05:07:25 PM »
You will find many thread discussions on here about what to use.
I have 80w in mine.

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