1970 Challenger R/T with a flat hood?

[DrEamer]

Most likely it's a scam, I would like to see what will EBay do for this...

eBay pulled the auction within a hour of my report. I'm not sure if it was because of what I did, or if there were other reports as well. I just did not want to see some get taken advantage of considering the bidding was up to over $18,000 at the time it was pulled.

[kissalien]

Ya, what are these sleepers???

There is no such thing. You would have to order a JH car with a 383.

[burdar]

I don't think the R/T hood was even an available option in 1970.(you couldn't order it by itself)  It came on an R/T and with the A66 package...that's it.  A non R/T 4-barrel 383 car would have had a flat hood.  The Shaker and T/A hoods were the only optional hoods I think.

[kissalien]

I don't think the R/T hood was even an available option in 1970.(you couldn't order it by itself)  It came on an R/T and with the A66 package...that's it.  A non R/T 4-barrel 383 car would have had a flat hood.  The Shaker and T/A hoods were the only optional hoods I think.

That's correct.

[AARTA340]

Ya, what are these sleepers???

Back in the day, insurance could get quite spendy for drivers who had some extra tickets. You could order Challengers/Barracudas without the "S" in the vin, thus lower insurance, but still able to order performance without all the brass band stuff. I have a JS29N car, has the max cooling, A33 axle  package, flat hood, but still has the HP 383 for the engine. Has 383 Four Barrel on the fenders. Obviously, 440's/426's were not on the menu. Believe they were even available with 4 speeds, but don't quote me on that.

They were also know as insurance cheaters/beaters.   

[Beekeeper]

I don't think the R/T hood was even an available option in 1970.(you couldn't order it by itself)  It came on an R/T and with the A66 package...that's it.  A non R/T 4-barrel 383 car would have had a flat hood.  The Shaker and T/A hoods were the only optional hoods I think.

I have a JH car with the N code 383 four barrel. It came with a flat hood. Not sure if the original buyer intended it to be a sleeper but he did order the four speed and sure grip so maybe.

[1 Wild R/T]

Back in the day, insurance could get quite spendy for drivers who had some extra tickets. You could order Challengers/Barracudas without the "S" in the vin, thus lower insurance, but still able to order performance without all the brass band stuff. I have a JS29N car, has the max cooling, A33 axle  package, flat hood, but still has the HP 383 for the engine. Has 383 Four Barrel on the fenders. Obviously, 440's/426's were not on the menu. Believe they were even available with 4 speeds, but don't quote me on that.

They were also know as insurance cheaters/beaters.   

Actually every insurance company I dealt with back in the 70's didn't give a crap about the S in the VIN, the wanted the fifth digit & if the engine was supposed to be 350 CI or bigger you paid more... 340 were insurance beaters, 383-2 paid the big premium without the extra performance....
Had a buddy with a 71 Challenger R/T Curious Yellow, black stripes, wing.. The car screamed "LOOK AT ME" but it only had a 340.... Of course we all know 340's ran, but as far as the insurance was concerned it didn't cost any more to insure than a 318 Challenger....

383-4 with a flat hood? Thats someone who's not telling you what he's got.... Yes, a "Sleeper" but there was no factory package called a sleeper, it was just a bare bones model with the biggest engine you could order short of a flashy car...

[JS27N0B]

Back in the day, insurance could get quite spendy for drivers who had some extra tickets. You could order Challengers/Barracudas without the "S" in the vin, thus lower insurance, but still able to order performance without all the brass band stuff. I have a JS29N car, has the max cooling, A33 axle  package, flat hood, but still has the HP 383 for the engine. Has 383 Four Barrel on the fenders. Obviously, 440's/426's were not on the menu. Believe they were even available with 4 speeds, but don't quote me on that.

They were also know as insurance cheaters/beaters.   

I was asking  so as for CP to explain as I know what you are saying to be true, excepts the fact that your car must be a JH car not JS if it has an original flat hood.  You for sure could have had an N code 4spd car that wasn't an R/T or a Cuda as well, they made lots of them in challenger, barracuda , SE and grand coupe and even in the deputy pkg.

[Beekeeper]

I was asking  so as for CP to explain as I know what you are saying to be true, excepts the fact that your car must be a JH car not JS if it has an original flat hood.  You for sure could have had an N code 4spd car that wasn't an R/T or a Cuda as well, they made lots of them in challenger, barracuda , SE and grand coupe and even in the deputy pkg.

From what I have read, there aren't really all that many JH N code 4 speed cars. I seem to recall lots more RTs than non RTs with that set up. Not sure on Barracudas though.

[JS27N0B]

From what I have read, there aren't really all that many JH N code 4 speed cars. I seem to recall lots more RTs than non RTs with that set up. Not sure on Barracudas though.

Looking through production numbers last night there was enough of them in each of the models that I listed I chose not to add them all up.

[Beekeeper]

I agree that they are not rare but they aren't common place either. Here is a breakdown of numbers I have found from several sources.

[340challconvert]

Kind of my thought, but the plot thickens as I do a little more research. I did a goggle search of the first part of the cars description, and find the car listed two other places. One shows the car as being in Maryland, the other in Georgia. The eBay listing says it is in Tennessee. Looks like someone may have lifted the pictures off the other listings and may be a scam. 

Car looks to be what it really is: a 70 SE Challenger with the 2bll 383, nice intact SE equipment and a four barrel air cleaner and RT badges added.
Would not have been a bad deal for 18K if it is in the condition in the pictures.
This car will turn up elsewhere!

[AARTA340]

Back in the day, insurance could get quite spendy for drivers who had some extra tickets. You could order Challengers/Barracudas without the "S" in the vin, thus lower insurance, but still able to order performance without all the brass band stuff. I have a JS29N JH29N car, has the max cooling, A33 axle  package, flat hood, but still has the HP 383 for the engine. Has 383 Four Barrel on the fenders. Obviously, 440's/426's were not on the menu. Believe they were even available with 4 speeds, but don't quote me on that.

They were also know as insurance cheaters/beaters.   

Had a typo on the VIN, fixed. My agent on the insurance even asked about the flowered vinyl tops and cars that had the hippie flowers too. They were real strict in those days, at least in Washington State.