Trim Screws 70 Cuda

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Offline DirksCuda

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Trim Screws 70 Cuda
« on: December 07, 2018 - 07:39:59 AM »
Im about to put my door panels and trim around my headliner I was wondering are the screws black or chrome, also what sizewould they be I was thinking about an No 8 Thanks Dirk




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Re: Trim Screws 70 Cuda
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2018 - 01:25:03 PM »
The door panel screws are special in that they have a shoulder so you don't crush the panel and crack it (easy to do). I would highly recommend you order the right screws from someone like RT Specialties. On that note, I would also recommend you order a interior screw kit from RT or Classic; all the bags are labeled and correct for the specific application.

All that said, most of the screws on the interior are #8, or where when new. The holes (usually slots) get slopped out over the years. You can revitalize many of them by getting something like a welding clamp (has a ball on each clamping arm, get them from Harbor Freight) and squeeze the slots shut which makes them usable again. I have gone through this a number of times and it will really piss you off to get to the last 1 or 2 screws and they won't bite. In many cases you cannot go to a #10 screw due to clearance, hole size etc. Spend some time now to inspect all of the holes you can and fix what you can. 
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Re: Trim Screws 70 Cuda
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2018 - 06:15:43 PM »
The door panel screws are special in that they have a shoulder so you don't crush the panel and crack it (easy to do). I would highly recommend you order the right screws from someone like RT Specialties. On that note, I would also recommend you order a interior screw kit from RT or Classic; all the bags are labeled and correct for the specific application.

All that said, most of the screws on the interior are #8, or where when new. The holes (usually slots) get slopped out over the years. You can revitalize many of them by getting something like a welding clamp (has a ball on each clamping arm, get them from Harbor Freight) and squeeze the slots shut which makes them usable again. I have gone through this a number of times and it will really piss you off to get to the last 1 or 2 screws and they won't bite. In many cases you cannot go to a #10 screw due to clearance, hole size etc. Spend some time now to inspect all of the holes you can and fix what you can.

That’s handy advice. I’ve gotten into the habit of double checking every threaded hole on anything I disassemble so I can get it all right prior to assembly.

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Re: Trim Screws 70 Cuda
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2018 - 06:26:27 PM »
Yeah I learned this the hard way when I was adjusting the door window in my Challenger, about half of the holes were washed out and the screws would not bite. Since they are a unique screw, I didn't just want to jam some next size screws in there, so after looking at it and realizing that unlike a normal round hole the slots tend to migrate inward I thought I'd try the welder clamps to see if I could fix them. It worked in probably 95% of the cases, there were 2 holes that could not be saved which I had to weld up (not fun on a painted car). The real long clamps worked pretty well. In some cases you can get a small hammer or other heavy instrument to beat it back.

The real key here is DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN the screws, they do not need 50 ft lbs, more like 3 which isn't much.

One other thing, I have found a local hardware store that carries a wide variety of stainless sheet metal screws (different sizes, lengths and head styles). I keep pretty much a box of each type (within reason) just in case, it has come in handy. The factory screws are chrome plated I believe, I really like the stainless better (not truly 100% stainless as a magnet will pick them up).
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Re: Trim Screws 70 Cuda
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2018 - 09:55:52 PM »
Yeah I learned this the hard way when I was adjusting the door window in my Challenger, about half of the holes were washed out and the screws would not bite. Since they are a unique screw, I didn't just want to jam some next size screws in there, so after looking at it and realizing that unlike a normal round hole the slots tend to migrate inward I thought I'd try the welder clamps to see if I could fix them. It worked in probably 95% of the cases, there were 2 holes that could not be saved which I had to weld up (not fun on a painted car). The real long clamps worked pretty well. In some cases you can get a small hammer or other heavy instrument to beat it back.

The real key here is DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN the screws, they do not need 50 ft lbs, more like 3 which isn't much.

One other thing, I have found a local hardware store that carries a wide variety of stainless sheet metal screws (different sizes, lengths and head styles). I keep pretty much a box of each type (within reason) just in case, it has come in handy. The factory screws are chrome plated I believe, I really like the stainless better (not truly 100% stainless as a magnet will pick them up).

When I restored my 64 Vette, I neglected to check the holes where the sill plates screw down. The body is fiberglass of course but where there are screws, there is usually a metal backing. After paint, went to put them on only to realize one hole is totally stripped out. Can’t get to the metal backing now that the body is resting back on the frame and I can’t try welding up the hole because it would destroy the fiberglass and start a fire. I had to use a larger screw which looks stupid. Every time I climb in, it stares me in the face.

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Re: Trim Screws 70 Cuda
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2018 - 10:19:00 PM »
When I restored my 64 Vette, I neglected to check the holes where the sill plates screw down. The body is fiberglass of course but where there are screws, there is usually a metal backing. After paint, went to put them on only to realize one hole is totally stripped out. Can’t get to the metal backing now that the body is resting back on the frame and I can’t try welding up the hole because it would destroy the fiberglass and start a fire. I had to use a larger screw which looks stupid. Every time I climb in, it stares me in the face.

Pretty sure you went through the entire list of cuss words when you discovered that.
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Re: Trim Screws 70 Cuda
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2018 - 10:58:27 PM »
Pretty sure you went through the entire list of cuss words when you discovered that.

Oh yeah...but the rest of the car came out great so if that’s the only thing I have to complain about, I’ll take it.

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Re: Trim Screws 70 Cuda
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2018 - 11:38:25 PM »
Are the heads just large (in comparison to the originals)? If so, turn down the heads to make them look like the originals.
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Re: Trim Screws 70 Cuda
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2018 - 12:19:02 AM »
Are the heads just large (in comparison to the originals)? If so, turn down the heads to make them look like the originals.

That’s a good idea.

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Re: Trim Screws 70 Cuda
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2018 - 12:25:00 AM »
Oh I am always full of ideas....  :roflsmiley:
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