EDP Coating on New Panels

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Offline SlyGuy

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EDP Coating on New Panels
« on: November 07, 2020 - 07:49:31 AM »
As with many other topics, I have read conflicting opinions on whether or not it is necessary to remove the edp coat from new panels before prepping for paint. I'm sure there is likely a thread or two that discuss this, but I also know that things change as time goes by and processes improve. By the time I am ready to paint, I will have new quarters, new fenders, new hood, and new deck lid. I REALLY don't want to have to take all that down to metal. I have read that all that is needed is to scuff the edp. What are you guys doing with it? Thanks!




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Re: EDP Coating on New Panels
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2020 - 12:48:52 PM »
No you do not have to, scuff it up and shoot over it. It is a primer (Electro Deposit Primer) and thus it can remain. I am sure someone will disagree but I did exactly this on my Cuda which had brand new quarters, 1 door skin and both fenders all of which were EDP. I scuffed them, cleaned them and shot epoxy over them followed by primer and then paint (of course blocking after the primer).
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Re: EDP Coating on New Panels
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2020 - 07:27:48 PM »
Thank Goodness, that is what I was hoping to hear (read)  :bananasmi As with everything else on this build, this will be my first attempt at priming and painting. My boys will be helping, and they have painted ONE car a few years ago. Wish us luck. Just out of curiosity, since my car is still mostly apart, is it better to prime and paint the individual panels separately, or build the car first and paint it as a whole? Probably a stupid question, but oh well. 

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Re: EDP Coating on New Panels
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2020 - 12:45:18 PM »
Not at all a stupid question. So, there are many ways to paint a car, some much better than others. In a perfect world you would want to do the following;

1. test fit everything to make sure it fits correctly and you have the gaps and adjustments you want. Normally, once things are adjusted you want to mark things like the hood, trunk lid, etc so you can put it back together exactly this way. For the hood and trunk lid, many drill 1/8" alignment holes in the hinges so that they can use a 1/8" drill bit to get the hood or trunk lid back exactly.

2. before taking it all apart, do your body work, blocking, etc.

3. take it all apart and prime/seal everything (both sides), inside the car, basically everywhere. This is assuming there is not going to be any more sanding or blocking, this is the home stretch for paint.

4. paint the inside or underside of the fenders, hood, trunk, valances, etc. as well as inside the car, door jams, engine compartment, trunk, etc. Basically everything but the outside of the car.

5. reinstall all the bits/parts and paint the outside of the car. Any over spray you get will not be the same color that you just put down.

6. wet sand and buff the car ensuring to tape off all of the edges, body lines, etc.

7. at this point some people disassemble the parts to reassemble the car assuming its apart (engine/trans, interior, wiring, etc.)

Good luck, its not rocket science and the internet is full of videos and written advice. Having painted a few cars myself the biggest tip I can give you is understand the mixing ratios, using compatible materials (paint, reducer, etc), and understand and adhere to flash times. Having good equipment is very helpful but you can get good results with cheaper guns but you must not have any moisture in the air lines or your paint will be ruined. Don't get into a hurry and understand that this is a at best a full day commitment but probably more like a multi day event that you cannot stop in the middle of. Also, you have to make sure that the surfaces are absolutely clean, use a lot of prep solvent and tack rags.

Know how many coats you are going to shoot on the entire car as everything should have the same amount. Depending on color, some colors (like lime green) will change colors the more coats you put on. You do this by doing what is called "spray outs". You can buy spray out sheets online which will be basically white squares (I think they have them in grey and black to simulate other primers). Put about 4-6 on a big piece of cardboard or plywood, shoot one coat on all of them, remove one of them and shoot another coat, then remove one more and shoot another coat and so on until you get to the last one which should now have as many coats as you have panels/squares. Keep them separated and/or labeled so you know how many coats each has. When done you can look at them and determine how many coats you need to get the color/look you want. You probably don't need the same number of coats inside or behind everything, just on the outside.

Lastly, paint will not hide anything, you cannot paint over bad body work hoping to "fill it in" or make it disappear, your paint job will only be as good as what is underneath it. I like many had to learn this the hard way and there isn't anything much worse than spending hours and a pile of money to paint a car only  to have it look like crap, because you then get to wait for it cure to start over again.

Have fun
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Re: EDP Coating on New Panels
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2020 - 05:50:53 PM »
Just what I needed. Appreciate you taking the time to spell it out.  :cheers:

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Re: EDP Coating on New Panels
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2020 - 08:35:40 PM »
You are more than welcome. One of the keys to a good paint job (other than prep) is consistency in spraying. It is very easy to paint faster in some areas and much slower in others usually do to accessibility and reach. I strongly recommend conducting a "dry run" where you act like you are painting without actually spraying the paint. Look at distance and speed both of which you want to be the same everywhere.

Another thing is to develop a pattern so that you spray everything the same amount in the same pattern. I like to do the roof first, one side and then the other, when I get done with the second side I go down the sail panel and across the trunk then to the tail panel and then onto a quarter and work forward, they across the front and down the other side. You can do it any way you want so long as you do the same way every time. I do it my way because I stand on a folding metal bench to do the roof and have the hose there which could touch the side, so doing the top first minimizes the chance that the hose will hit wet paint.

This brings up hose control, you have make a very focused effort to control the hose at all times, no much worse than having the hose drag across your fresh paint.

Make sure to set up your gun and do some light practice so you get a feel for the trigger, fan size and amount of material coming out.
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
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Re: EDP Coating on New Panels
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2020 - 08:55:03 PM »
All  the above is good advice and if you follow it, you'll be well on your way to a happy conclusion. I would add to read the tech bulletins for your choice of paint, which will give you coverage and flash amounts as well as other info. Be aware that some paints- and I'm referring to bases here, have different reduction ratios; some are 1:1 or 1:2 or 1:4 and it'll make a difference (obviously) on how much product you'll need, to get coverage. Paint is expensive, so do your math beforehand. The same applies to clears and it never hurts to canvass a couple of local, reputable paint shops as to their choice of product and why. Usually the painter will take a couple of minutes to discuss the situation with you and that's the time to ask any questions regarding application, coverage and bang for the buck. Watch some You-Tube vids to get a better sense of rate of application and overlap. If it's a high metallic, be extra careful in your overlaps and spray gun distance from the panels and that's also where a gun with a good, even and full fan will pay you dividends. Good luck!  :drunk:

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Re: EDP Coating on New Panels
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2020 - 01:29:10 PM »
Awesome. Thanks again guys. Gives me a lot to consider as I try to work up the nerve to actually attempt it.

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Re: EDP Coating on New Panels
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2020 - 09:37:48 PM »
It seems like a lot but it really isn't that bad, people have been painting their cars themselves for as long as they have been around. Think it through, watch a lot of YouTube, get comfortable with it and know that if you do screw it up, it can be fixed. I once watched a guy paint his 74 RR in the driveway of his grandmothers trailer (think trailer park) and it came out fantastic. He hosed the ground down under the car to keep the dust down and got after it. That was his first paint job as well.

Look, you don't learn unless you try. Get something and practice some with some cheap paint (O'reillys carries some). It is not hard, just something you need to plan for, understand to a degree and conduct in an organized manner.
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Re: EDP Coating on New Panels
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2021 - 07:04:42 PM »
How’s your progress? I am just finishing up replacing my front fenders and tail panel. All new AMD panels . They needed some coaching to fit, but that’s fairly normal. Gaps were awful before I changed to the new panels, and weren’t much better after either. Get your panels fitting correctly before you paint. I painted my car years ago, and did very little work on the gaps and body panels. I regretted it for years. It’s getting done right this time. I will just scuff the EDP on the panels and shoot epoxy primer on top of that and on to blocking. Good luck with your build.

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Re: EDP Coating on New Panels
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2021 - 10:04:54 PM »
Progress is painfully slow. Most of my new metal is still in their boxes taking up way too much room in my garage. We do have the quarter panels on however. We cut the old quarters off in a straight line that runs a couple of inches below the rear side window back to the rear of the car. I am currently learning how to mix, apply, and sand bondo (yet another first for me). Just read your thread, and it sounds like you are making some "real" progress. Congrats on that!

I never did start a "members restoration" thread for my build, mainly because its not a true restoration. This will be sooo NOT by the book. I just pray it looks decent and runs when we're done  :screwy: Also, it seems like posting pictures has become very difficult, if not impossible. My son is documenting our build on his youtube channel though if you want some laughs  :roflsmiley: The channel is called "sly customs"

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Re: EDP Coating on New Panels
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2021 - 11:14:35 PM »
"My son is documenting our build on his youtube channel though if you want some laughs  :roflsmiley: The channel is called "sly customs"" Great to hear! Also great to hear your son and you are embarking on a trip that you both will remember for the rest of your lives. Good luck with it and share the laughs and experience!  :cheers:

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Re: EDP Coating on New Panels
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2021 - 08:18:27 PM »
For sure. Sometimes I think I should have just bought a "finished" car, but then I realize that all the Saturdays in the garage with my boys makes it worth the attempt. Just hope that I can keep them interested enough to see it through.

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Re: EDP Coating on New Panels
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2021 - 10:26:36 PM »
I don't know where you live, but get them out to a real drag race asap! LOL.  I took my 2 boys out when they were fairly young and they got a flavour for what having and working on a car could do- and they liked it and have stayed involved and wrench to this day. Good luck, and oh! Tell them not to stand right inline to the zoomies when they fire that fueler up!  :lol2: