RESTORATION

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Offline juliee

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RESTORATION
« on: November 30, 2005 - 11:05:06 AM »
 I JUST BOUGHT A 1973 CUDA IT NEEDS A COMPLETE RESTORATION,THE PROBLEM I AM HAVING IS THAT I CAN NOT FIND A RESTORATION SHOP IN MY AREA I LIVE IN TOLEDO,OH DOES ANY ONE KNOW OF ANY PLACE THAT SPECILIZES IN MOPAR IF SO PLEASE HELP ME!!
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Re: RESTORATION
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2005 - 11:11:04 AM »
We restore them but were in lower wisconsin. Sorry! good luck! welcome to the board!

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Re: RESTORATION
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2005 - 11:19:45 AM »
Got the guy
 Jon Segur of Segur Automotive just over the line in Michigan on Whiteford
734--888-1661

 This guy is Mopar crazy and has done some great work.

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If you want anymore info on his shop just PM me. I also live in Toledo.
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Re: RESTORATION
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2005 - 07:22:50 PM »
Welcome to cuda-challenger.com Juliee!   :wave:   Do you have any pics you can share with us of your project??  Glad you found us and enjoy the site!! 



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Re: RESTORATION
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2005 - 05:08:57 PM »
Juliee---any luck finding someone to help with your resto?  :dunno:  Just wondering.   :cooldancing:  .................Oldschool

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Re: RESTORATION
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2005 - 08:36:05 PM »
Let's face it, total restorations take a lot of time and money if you are having them professionally done.  You may also have to face up to the fact that the 72 up cars probably will never be worth the money of 70-71's (which in a lot of respects cost the same to totally restore).  So either love the car and jump in or shop around for one that is already done and you will probably be money way ahead.

I thought Ohio was big Mopar country too so I bet there are shops out there.

Good luck and take it from somebody who has already paid total restoration price.

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Re: RESTORATION
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2005 - 08:55:10 PM »
first off, congrats on your purchase!

as for this:

Let's face it, total restorations take a lot of time and money if you are having them professionally done. You may also have to face up to the fact that the 72 up cars probably will never be worth the money of 70-71's (which in a lot of respects cost the same to totally restore). So either love the car and jump in or shop around for one that is already done and you will probably be money way ahead.

I thought Ohio was big Mopar country too so I bet there are shops out there.

Good luck and take it from somebody who has already paid total restoration price.

 70 & 71 are hard to come by, as a matter of fact a purchase of these years will cost you about what a restoration on a 1973 costs you.  I say more power too you!  I have a 73 Chally and wouldn't trade it for the world! hope to see before and afters! As far as the "Worth" value, 73 & 74 are gradually gaining on the earlier models for the fact I stated earlier, they are few and far between.  Value is in the eye of the beholder.  Good luck.
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Re: RESTORATION
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2005 - 10:22:18 PM »
Don't take my comments wrong.  I dumpped some good money in the restoration of a 70 that I owned since the early 80's (my high school car in fact) that probably shouldn't have been saved except again, it was my high school car and had sentimental value so I satisfied my first constraint of loving the car.

As such, I know what a COMPLETE RESTORATION can cost and that may be well beyond what a '72 up is worth in the end.  I only use '72 up to confirm what pink panther is saying too in that 70-71's go for more money.

If you look at my banner picture of my 70 RT, 71 RT and my 70 Cuda (the high school car), I literally paid thousands less in the purchase price of the '71 RT (this July in fact) than it took to restore my '70 Cuda (I probably have in it about what it's worth) and I'm enjoying the heck out of driving my '71 that I haven't had to put much more than gas in and, I wouldn't be surprised if your full restoraton runs more than I paid for this car too.

With some notable exceptions (grills for instance but repops are showing up their too now), most parts probably are about the same price no matter the year and the labor rates don't change either so it's always better to start with a nicer car - IF YOU CAN OR IT'S AN OPTION.  Like I said, if you love the car, then do it up and don't worry about the cost as long as you can afford it and aren't worried about selling the car later on.

Good luck with your project and I just thought I'd share some hindsight with you.
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Re: RESTORATION
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2005 - 07:21:56 AM »
Paying someone to do an entire resto is a no-win situation. If you find someone who will do it right, you will pay out the nose for it. We're talking $20K plus for a good restoration of a complete car with the typical rot, and that's probably low. If you strip the car yourself and take just the body down to get the bodywork done, you're in better shape. Still, there are no good $5k paint jobs when you are paying someone else to do it! Consider my '72 cuda which I replaced the floor pans, quarter skins, trunk pans, lower door skins, and had to fabricate misc. other pieces. I have around $1k in parts, $1k in blasting and prep materials, and I'll have another $2k or so in paint and paint prep materials. That's me doing all the work (exept the media blasting). The other thing about having someone do the work is that they typically won't do it as well as you would do it, even if you have only marginal skills. The time it takes to get everything just right and not cut corners is just mind boggling. The guys that will do the resto right in a reasonable amount of time will charge a hefty sum. In the case of the '72 and up cars, you can quickly spend more on a restoration than on buying a car that was done well.

I think there are some key points to think about before starting a restoration:
1. What do I want out of the car (show, nice driver, money)?
2. How long do I want the restoration to hold-up?
3. If the car looks like it has a poor paint job and poor body work, will that bother me? (There's a difference between concourse restorations, "show" cars, nice cars, and cars that look like they were poorly restored.)
4. How much can I do myself?
5. How much can I spend?
6. How much can I spend beyond the market value of the car?
7. How long can I wait to get the car done?

The beauty of buying a car that is already done is that you know what the car looks like, you can have it reviewed by an expert prior to purchase, and you will probably have some history on the car. You know what you are buying and what you are paying. The risk, if you buy right, is very low (i.e. if you don't like the car or you need to sell it, you can get what you paid.) If you pay someone else to do the restoration, you won't know what you are getting until you get it. Sure, you might see other exmaples of a guy's work, but the proof is in the pudding. If you do the car yourself, you have control over the quality, but it will likely take a long time to get the car done. The value of the car might cover your out of pocket expenses, but you will never get paid for your labor (that's ok...I look at it as a hobby and all hobbies have a price). You will have a tremendous amount of satisfaction if you do the car yourself.

Doing restoration work is very rewarding and you'll be surprised at what you can do yourself if you read and learn.

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Re: RESTORATION
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2005 - 07:40:09 AM »
I thought Ohio was big Mopar country too so I bet there are shops out there.

Ohio does have a lot of Mopar nuts in it, but most of them are engine builders or collectors....I dont know of any big Mopar restoration shops here.

Anyhow, I also agree with the people here about paying someone else to do the whole car. There is nothin wrong with having them restore it, but you should try to do everything that you can instead of paying someone else. Even without any background in bodywork, you should be able to remove and catalog everything on the car and install it later on. Basically, you should send the body shop a shell and have them do the bodywork and paint, after that it should be sent back to you so you can put it all together. Any job that you can do will save you from paying someone else to do it....
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Re: RESTORATION
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2005 - 02:27:37 PM »
I was in Toledo Oh for a while but I did not see any restoration shops.  I do restorations but I am now in Birmingham AL.  Would love to do it for you.

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Re: RESTORATION
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2005 - 04:09:43 PM »
Great reply Steve, more people should know this going into a restoration rather than coming out of one.