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Offline Tropicalcats

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Your opinion please
« on: November 11, 2005 - 10:11:01 AM »
The time has come to make some financial decisions with regards to the Chally and I need to hear some other voices than the one in my head that says do what ever it takes.
As some of you may know I have a 1970 Challenger R/T 383 slap stix all numbers matching I am the third owner the car is complete and original. It had from 87-93 bought by the 2nd owner drove to a garage and stored from 93-05 when I bought it.It is almost rust free but willl need some repair in the trunk pan. Several dings and dents in the rust free body. It's a Ca car.
JS23N0E
J = Dodge Challenger
S = Special, R/T
23 = 2 Door Hardtop
N = 383 330HP OR 335HP 1-4BBL 8 CYL
0 = 1970
E = Los Angeles, CA, USA assembly plant
D32 = 727 torqueflite
N95 = Nitros Oxide Emmissions control (calif car)
thats HRX9   H= high trim class  R= Bucket seat, leather and Vinyl
X9 = Black
000= full door panels (no upper door frame paint)
106 = January 06 Scheduled production date
040693 = Order number
E63 = 383 4bbl
FC7 = Plum Crazy
V1W = White Vinyl Top
A62 = Rallye Instru. Clustr
B51 = power assit brks
C16 = console w buckets
C55 = Bucket seats
J25 = 3spd var wipers (cool)
M21 = drip rail moldings
N41 = duel exh w/o tips
N42 = crome duel exhst tips (contradiction with above)
N85 = tach
R35 = am/fm multiplex st radio (nice)
V1w = White Vinyl top (again?)
V6W = white longitudinal stripe 70
Y14 = sold car 69-71 (sold order)

 I am at a cross roads with the car. I have spent the last 3 months stripping it down getting ready for body work,paint and mechanicals. To me this car is a little unusal because of the Leather interior, Thumb am/fm stereo radio,capeted door panels,Black interior/ White top, rear ashtray. It basiclly has the SE interior without being an R/T/SE.
My fork in the road is this. Do I continue down the road of a full rotessire restoration? I am unableto do the work myself due  to space, time and knowledge
so I will farm out the body and paint as well as most of the mechanical. My ballpark for all of that is in the mid to upper teens. I have a savings for this reason that will cover most of the cost.
My question comes down to this. When I purchase a house it's very easy for me to gauge how much to improve the house without over improving. At what point do I over improve the Chally? or is that not even a possibility? I want the car returned to it's original day it drove off the lot form. If I return it to this is it money well spent?
1970 Challenger R/T 383  Matching#s JS23N0E under construction. It's Plum Crazy
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Offline JS27N0B

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Re: Your opinion please
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2005 - 10:42:34 AM »
I would not scrimp on the car myself as the old saying goes "if something is worth doing it's worth doing right"
Apart from the shear pleasure of ownership, not scrimping and doing it right will also increase the ability to increase in value as times marches on.

Whatever you decide, it's your car.  I bet the person who ordered that car new liked the trim of the SE but hated the back window!
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Re: Your opinion please
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2005 - 10:47:02 AM »
I would not scrimp on the car myself as the old saying goes "if something is worth doing it's worth doing right"
Apart from the shear pleasure of ownership, not scrimping and doing it right will also increase the ability to increase in value as times marches on.

Whatever you decide, it's your car.  I bet the person who ordered that car new liked the trim of the SE but hated the back window!

Yeah, what JS said!

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2005 - 11:53:06 AM »

  I bet the person who ordered that car new liked the trim of the SE but hated the back window!

Very good observation. I never thought about it that way. It was there way of getting all the trim with a bigger rear window.
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Re: Your opinion please
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2005 - 12:20:15 PM »
That rear window does have some visibility issues!
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2005 - 12:52:06 PM »
Go all out and have every nook and cranny cleaned, painted, re-habed, re-covered, repaired, etc etc. Original numbers 383 HP with those options, I'd go for the whole enchalata!

And Rev, I don't see any visability issues with your glass, I can see it just fine, looks great!

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Re: Your opinion please
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2005 - 01:59:54 PM »
Tropical, I too would have to agree with the rest that with a car of that caliber, there is no such thing as over-restoring it.  Regardless of whether it will actually be more detailed than the factory would have ever gotten it or not, there is always someone out there who is looking for either a 100% original appearing restored auto or one that's even cleaner.  I'd expect you could easily get $38,500.+ after it's restored, should you ever need to sell out.  I knew a guy back home who bought a '70 R/T for $10,000.00 in driver condition, took it all apart and had a full-blown restoration that cost him around another $7,500-10,000.00 in bodywork/paint/interior, and he had an offer of $38,500.00 simply to turn it down for a $40,000.00+ offer from some collector.  To net nearly $20,000.00 of pure profit is quite sufficient for maybe 8 months worth of work.
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Offline cudacharlie

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Re: Your opinion please
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2005 - 02:05:48 PM »
Yeah, man, if you got a numbers car, better get anal with the details... just think if you're looking at a numbers car with a half-decent resto, and you're thinking, "jeez, he had the car totally apart, why didn't he blast and powdercoat those little brackets?  I would only have taken half an hour, and now they're all rusty!"

Personally, I like the idea of "looks original, but is all powdercoated-clearcoated-lasts-forever-goodness".  They are starting to have simulated cosmoline and CAD powder finishes, stainless screws, etc. so you can get that supernew look and keep it that way.  (do you inspection marks with enamel or nail polish so they will be permanent!) Get rhino lining color-matched (or use clear) and do the underside like that so you can pressure wash it back to show-ready after a drive in the mud...

If it was a super-rare hemi car or something, maybe you'd want to go for overspray and all that, but I assume you plan on driving it now and again?  :)

I wish I was at the stage you're at!  Both my rides are aching to get torn down.... no time till spring.... whhaaaaahhhhh!
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Re: Your opinion please
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2005 - 05:50:59 PM »
It's exactly like remodeling a house. If you plan on $10,000, it'll probably end up costing $20,000. On a restoration, you're never done. There will always be something that doesn't suit your liking. And remember these cars were far from perfect new. What you see today as a top show car is pobably well over done. How ever far you take your Challenger it will be yours and I'm sure a very beautiful piece.
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2005 - 07:41:34 PM »
It doesn't sound like your car needs the full rotissorie restoration. If it were mine I would just get the trunk repaired very professionally such that you couldn't tell it wasn't original. If your car is otherwise rust-free, it doesn't make economic sense to spend a bunch of money that will not improve the car, or the value of the car. Then paint it correctly, with a little "factory" orange peel in the paint, and do the underbody as original. An original rust-free car is more desirable than a "restored" car that tells folks that it used to be rusty (even if it wasn't), it seems to me.

I am going to have the rotissorie done to mine (media blast, but no dip), but it is a typical eastern car with rust issues in the rear lower quarters, rockers, cowl area, etc. Wish it was a desert car like yours.
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