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Factory Stamped HP Engines?
« on: April 18, 2002 - 05:10:59 PM »
What is the difference in the HP stamped engines and the regular blocks?  

What do the HP stamped engines have over the engines not stamped?

383 4bl Compared To 383HP 4bl

440 4bl Compared To 440HP 4bl

And all 440 Six Pack Blocks were stamped HP right?

The 440 engines painted blue have 350hp and the engines painted orange have 375hp right?

Is there a 340HP?

Thanks for the help.

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Re: Factory Stamped HP Engines?
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2002 - 07:59:14 PM »
440 Hp has a drifferent cam and spring's, piston's, intake and carb, and exhaust manafolid's and that is  bout it. now I beleive a 440-6 will be a HP but will also have another code stamped on it.like sp/s/x something like that im not sure exactly never checked on that, good question though cuda guy.
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Re: Factory Stamped HP Engines?
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2002 - 10:20:17 PM »
Thanks for responding, are you sure that is exactly what the difference is?  I know the 383HP had 440 heads as was the case on my Road Runner?

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Re: Factory Stamped HP Engines?
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2002 - 10:36:57 PM »
rb and b used same heads except the 67 440HP's.
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Re: Factory Stamped HP Engines?
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2002 - 11:01:15 PM »
All 440 HPs had Six Pack bottom ends for 70 -71 ;)
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Re: Factory Stamped HP Engines?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2006 - 10:37:04 AM »
440 six-pack motor will have an X on the pad

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Re: Factory Stamped HP Engines?
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2006 - 02:41:42 PM »
Some of what I think is right..based more on experience than  books, but with some research done...
67HP 440
- upgraded heads ("915" castings, should have 1.74 ex valves, but many HPs in C bodies had 1.60 ex valves)
-updated camshaft, valve springs, intake, exh manifolding, dist, carb and air cleaner
'68HP 383 335HP
-New for '68 906 casting "440" heads, open chamber, revised intake and exh ports, all 1.74 ex valve from now on
-Revised cam also used in 440HP
-new taller intake, same exh manifolding, 440 sized carb, revised dist, revised air cleaner
'68HP383 330HP
-identical to above, but revised exh manifolding for A body Barracuda and Dart chassis, hence the lower figure.
'68HP440 375HP
-Same "906" heads, cam, etc as above, revised intake and air cleaner
'69HP440 375HP
-Same as '68 models, I think revised intake and carb (mainly due to choke setup...)
-A body design still rated at 375hp, but using special A body manifolds that lost power..not sure how that worked.
'69HP440 390HP 6bbl
-Same "906" heads
-Edelbrock aluminum 3x2bbl intake, same exh manifolding, dual point dist, revised air cleaner assembly
-Revised camshaft and lifters, revised timing set, revised valve springs
'70HP383 335HP
-Same as '68
-revised intake and carb, revised air cleaner assembly
'70HP440 375HP
-Same as '69
-Revised intake and carb, revised air cleaner assembly
'70HP440 390HP 6bbl
-same as '69
-revised connecting rods and balancer
-revised pistons w/valve releifs
-iron 3x2bbl Chrysler intake

'71 is pretty much the same. Interesting notes..HP1 and HP2 are shift indicators of assembly..Not an indicator of 6bbl or 4bbl. The Chrysler engines were rated about 5hp lower. I have no clue why, but I've  seen it in articals of the time. The '69 6bbls were supposed to have better rods and pistons, but they couldnt get them out in time. So most '69s have std rods and balancer. "six pac" rods and balancers are std equipment in motorhomes and heavy truck. Not many other 440s came with them in any other year. One "never says never" with Mopar, but I havent seen anything to the contrary in my engines or others'. Iron 6bbls were because then Edelbrock couldnt make enough of them, and they had intake leaks because of the aluminum and iron heads..so those thin paper gaskets were made. Not the thick ones FelPro sells..the real ones are very thin paper. Most "revisions" were to clear specail hoods (cold air) or for emmissions and noise reasons. So revised dont always mean better. To be honest, the machining on the factory stuff was so bad, that most engiens couldnt make the advertised numbers, and those may have been slightly inflated at the time because of how the rating was figured. That's all I know, or accept anyway..Subject to arguemnts and legends...lol

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Re: Factory Stamped HP Engines?
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2006 - 12:39:36 AM »
Sorry, I don't think that is the case.  "X" means Over Sized Valve Guides.

440 six-pack motor will have an X on the pad
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Re: Factory Stamped HP Engines?
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2006 - 11:25:44 PM »
anyone have a pic of where this 440hp is stamped on the block?
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Re: Factory Stamped HP Engines?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2006 - 12:10:09 AM »
on the pad infron tof the intake 

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Re: Factory Stamped HP Engines?
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2006 - 11:08:07 AM »
here ya go

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Re: Factory Stamped HP Engines?
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2006 - 12:09:40 PM »
There is so much bad information floating around concerning 440 HP's/non HP's and 440 Six packs it's simply mind numbing! the main indicators from an "HP" engine and a non "HP" engine are simply that, the presence of an HP stamping or not.

440 Six pack engines were stamped just like any other HP engine after assembly, HP2 meant NOTHING more than "assembled on second shift" , other added marks like an "A","C", "X" Maltese Cross, etc. meant nothing more than individual engine final tolerance/machining notes stamped on the pad and had nothing to do with identifying a 440 Six Pack engine from any other HP 440 engine. There was no way of identifying one from the other except for the VIN# stamped on the machined id pad on the Pass side of the block above the oil pan rail which may match that of an original V-code car. End of story.

That being said, I agree with what MOPAR posted above, it's all pretty accurate stuff. If you are restoring an original car missing it's OEM engine and want a "correct appearing" original style block the pad stampings might be important to you for original appearance reasons, but otherwise there's no real difference as few original 30 plus year old factory assembled engines you will find will be dependable drivers without at least a mild freshen up or re-build.

So, with a re-build in mind most original wear item parts will be tossed (valves/springs/cam/lifters/pistons/cam, etc.) and replaced, and these are the main items that sepperate a 440HP (or 383) from a non HP engine.
Keep in mind that a 440 is a 440 block (same goes for a 383), if it passes a sonic check and magnaflux check for cracks a non HP is just as good as an HP engine, they all started as the same castings. Any steel (or any cast) crank is also the same from one to the other, same goes for the heads (in any given year or application as lined out by Mopars post above 1967 being the odd year). On connecting rods, although most any 440 "LY" rods are fine in a street engine, the new H-beam rods are much stronger and pretty affordable, especially if you add the cost of a re-size and re-con plus new rod bolts on an old set, I would'nt use anything else but the new rods even on a budget build.




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Re: Factory Stamped HP Engines?
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2006 - 05:17:34 PM »
Thank you !
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