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I have a 650 Thunder AVS on the 318. I've put the largest availible shooters in it (.043), pump shot is on the top hole, rod for the pump shot has been tweaked to the most possible gas -asap. I'm looking to fine tune the hole shot at the moment. I'd mess with the air door, but too soon will make the motor pull the fuel from the carb, rather than the carb deliver it to the motor.

Anyone have suggestions on what else i can try? Dang thing runs like a champ.  :lol: I've yet to be able to give it 'too much' fuel and choke it up from the line. I'm looking for where it's too much and i have to back it off  :banghead: Dragula i know has suggested drilling the shooters out another size up, I'm curious as to his method of doing so being how somewhat fragile/thin they are.

I'd like to keep the eddie, its daily driven, its barely a year old, i feel comfortable working on it. I'm just looking for a little more outta it. Current best 60ft is a 1.9.

Thanks  :bigshades:
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Re: Edelbrock carb - modifications? performance tuning? tips/tricks?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2006 - 09:28:50 AM »
Actually you are going the wrong way , you want to use a little fuel as possible from the squirter withotu causing a bog for the best rsponse from the carb 

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Re: Edelbrock carb - modifications? performance tuning? tips/tricks?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2006 - 10:18:20 AM »
Actually you are going the wrong way , you want to use a little fuel as possible from the squirter withotu causing a bog for the best rsponse from the carb 

Well it seems to respond better every time i've messed with it. Its a 3,500stall/3,900rpm flash converter, low gear set, 3.91s. It seems to like the most gas  :clueless:
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Re: Edelbrock carb - modifications? performance tuning? tips/tricks?
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2006 - 11:42:44 AM »
if the 60' times are improving you are going in the correct direction  but usually that would mean the jets may be lean

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Re: Edelbrock carb - modifications? performance tuning? tips/tricks?
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2006 - 11:53:44 AM »
if the 60' times are improving you are going in the correct direction  but usually that would mean the jets may be lean

thanks chryco, i did set a new best 60 of 1.96 my last outing. I'm picking away at it. Maybe i should up my primary jets and metering rods, i gotta figure out how that will effect the a/f ratio and such, thanks.
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Re: Edelbrock carb - modifications? performance tuning? tips/tricks?
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2006 - 06:23:52 AM »
Goody, with the rods, there is a power and a cruise step. WIth each jet, a bunch of rods can be used to get what you want. I use a vernier caliper to measure the rods' sections, and go "more" or "less" to get the curve where I want it. With a 3900 stall and 3.91s, you should be (in my opinion anyway) concentrating on the secondary air door and the power step of the rods. I'm not a fan of the "keep going up in squirtors" concept. Because when ever I did that, the plugs looked cruddy quickly, no to mention gas milage. In regard to your comment about "feeding it to the engine", that's backwards. A carb works by reaction. reaction to the pull from the intake, reaction to altitude and air pressure, reaction to G forces and inertia, reaction to air flowing thru the venturi. You dont tell it what it wants, it tells you. I "found" .2 from carefully tuning the accelerator pumps on my Holley DP. With careful tuning, i went from 4.30s and a 1.62 best 60' to a 1.65 best with 3.91s and no other changes. Same convertor, and a 3400lbs Cuda. The 4.30s made me not have to sweat the details. The los of .4 when I originally did the swap made me re-examine everything from burnout and tire pressure to timing and carb. By far the biggest gains came from the first 60' tuning the carb. I had 37s and a more aggresive cam in teh primary side. I ended up with the stock cam and 31s in it. Leaner is more power. The trick can be making it not detonate when it's lean. But the carb will tell you what it wants. I know 440s running that same carb that never had to up the squirtors. For a first step. I'd go back to the factory squitor size, keep the quickest hole, and try to get the secondary plate to open fast enough that it bogs. Then start to slow the openning down. Also keep in mind, the secondary jets dont have a rod, but you can jet them up and down too.

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Re: Edelbrock carb - modifications? performance tuning? tips/tricks?
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2006 - 04:54:53 PM »
What many helpful posters are not keeping in mind is that I believe Goody is running in some pretty thin air, and to quote the old Dodge commercial, "it changes all the rules"!

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Re: Edelbrock carb - modifications? performance tuning? tips/tricks?
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2006 - 12:23:59 AM »
Goody lives at 2600 ' , I live in 3800' air

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Re: Edelbrock carb - modifications? performance tuning? tips/tricks?
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2006 - 01:47:06 AM »
Goody lives at 2600 ' , I live in 3800' air

Right, i think he was considering the density altitude 'round here which is relatively high.  :dunno:
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Re: Edelbrock carb - modifications? performance tuning? tips/tricks?
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2006 - 09:56:35 AM »
So, the air is less dense..And has less O2 carried in it...What did I miss :clueless:. Tuning at his home track will yeild results "just for his locale". Of course, it also means when Goody comes down from the clouds :cooldancing: he will be VERY lean...