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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2006 - 10:05:48 AM »
Gonna be sweet!!   :dogpile:




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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2006 - 12:57:45 PM »
Beautiful!!  In my book, you just can't beat a black e-body! 

I like your book!

How did you swap the front end to a '70?  Was it just the grill/side markers that you changed?

Although I did have fender cut outs for the 70-71 side markers, I ended up just getting a pair of really rough 70 fenders for $800. To do the swap, you also need the 70 only header panel. Found one in great shape for $300.

Gonna be sweet!!

Thanks! Have to admit that I used pictures of your black Cuda to help convince the body shop to paint it black. They really put up some resistance.

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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2006 - 01:32:44 PM »
That's looking very cool, Four-Forty-fied!!!!! :drool: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :2thumbs:
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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2006 - 06:52:24 PM »
Your car is looking great. Can't wait to see it at Carlisle.  :cheers: I also have to insert this pirate flag because my 5 year old (Alex) loves to pick the icons.  :aarg:

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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2006 - 09:10:06 AM »
Black Cudas are insane!!!  I seen a Black w Black Stripe AAR at Carsile a couple years ago and it blew me away.  Good luck with your project.

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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2006 - 09:36:13 AM »
Love that black. Cuda is looking real nice. Any type of stripe?
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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2006 - 10:20:27 AM »
Thanks for all the encouragement guys, and pirate flags are appreciated too.

Right now I am leaning towards a matte black hockey stick stripe. Should look subtle.

I thought of doing the AAR paint and stripe, but I'm sure I'm giving numbers/purists enough to scoff about. I don't know what happened along the way, but I used to be all about mixing and matching parts from any year that fit just to make my car "my" car. Now when I see a 71 with a hockey stripe, my panties get all twisted up. So, the plan is to make my 74 look like it came from the factory as a 70 w/ a 440 and I just tinkered with the drive train and interior.

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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2006 - 11:19:27 AM »
Thanks! Have to admit that I used pictures of your black Cuda to help convince the body shop to paint it black. They really put up some resistance.


  So which pics did you show them to be convincing?? 

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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2006 - 11:48:44 AM »
Well, the photos were more for me to stay the course. When the body shop worker and owner tell you that black is a hard color to shoot, it's too hard to keep clean, you'll never want a black car again, etc. several times a week for quite a few weeks, you start to doubt it too. So, whenever I was feeling discouraged, I just went back to the photos. It was more than enought to tell him, "No, it has to be black."

The funny thing is that what actually got the shop owner onboard with painting it black was a 1:18 die cast model someone sent him. It was a black AAR, and he thought it looked as good as I was telling him it would. I have no idea who sent him the model.

Here's two of the three photos I used as my fall-back position:

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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2006 - 03:31:46 PM »
I'd say you made a fine choice.  Once you get a system for black cars . . it's really not too hard to keep them clean.  But when I first got it  :pullinghair:   :banghead:     I have that black AAR diecast too . . . one of my favorites!!   :drool:  :drool: 


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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2006 - 06:49:25 AM »
BLACK is beautiful!!!   Good choice.

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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2006 - 11:53:54 AM »
Looks great :cheers:  I'm doing my challenger black too... and before I let people talk me out of black and it aint happening this time.  I have a factory ac car, so the only thing that bothered me was being too hot isn't a problem now.  If you want to do it with aar stripes do it!  I'm making mine a ta clone :thumbsup: 

First car I ever painted was in black, it was a trans am, but it turned out perfect, so for the hard shooting part, I don't see how.  To me its much easier to see where you missed, plus base/clear all ya gotta do is make sure its all black, clears what makes it smooth and shiney.
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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2006 - 10:48:32 PM »
Hi, Your car looks great, and black is wild!!!!  I'm from Australia and I've just put a deposit on 73 Barracuda and want to clone it to a 70 Cuda.   Did you find it hard converting the grill and the back end to a 70.  Quite a few people are warninig me against doing this as it is going to be way expensive and very difficult to achieve.  Would appreciate some advice from you ie do I need to cut at the car or does the front grill/header etc just bolt on?  I can get hold of a whole 1970 header/grill for $2200 (do you think this is a reasonable price considering parts are now becoming hard to come by?  Thanks Con
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Re: '74 Barracuda to '70 Cuda 440
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2006 - 06:09:38 PM »
First car I ever painted was in black, it was a trans am, but it turned out perfect, so for the hard shooting part, I don't see how.  To me its much easier to see where you missed, plus base/clear all ya gotta do is make sure its all black, clears what makes it smooth and shiney.

I suppose they meant it was more difficult with respect to the bodywork because black shows every little imperfection... and my Barracuda had a lot of them. Interestingly enough, they seem to be having the most difficulty with the brand new Goodmark trunk lid. One day it was painted, a few days later I noticed it stripped down and them reblocking it. They said it looked wavy.

Hi, Your car looks great, and black is wild!!!!  I'm from Australia and I've just put a deposit on 73 Barracuda and want to clone it to a 70 Cuda.   Did you find it hard converting the grill and the back end to a 70.  Quite a few people are warninig me against doing this as it is going to be way expensive and very difficult to achieve.  Would appreciate some advice from you ie do I need to cut at the car or does the front grill/header etc just bolt on?  I can get hold of a whole 1970 header/grill for $2200 (do you think this is a reasonable price considering parts are now becoming hard to come by?  Thanks Con

The hardest part was finding the parts. Months and months and months of searching. Looks like you are half way there. I spent $1600 for a grille w/ the bezels and trim, but it is far from perfect. It sags a bit actually, and I know I will be on the lookout for a nicer one once everything is together. I found a decent header panel for $300. If the grille you found is in good shape, I suppose that is a reasonable price considering what I've seen them go for. Even better if you are talking Aussie dollars.

The tail light panel is probably a bit harder to find, and I don't know how many people are willing to ship out of the US. I found mine on ebay, and I've seen them go for anywhere between $300 and $1400. As far as being difficult, I think that panel looked easier to change than say a quarter panel. It looked like it was only held in place with spot welds, at least around the top where the quarters wrap around it. The actual tail light assemblies seem plentiful on ebay.

To complete the look, you will need side marker cut out patch panels, the side marker light assemblies, '70-72 bumperettes & the rear bumper brackets, '70 bumpers (I think the front brackets are the same & you just have to unbolt the bumper reinforcement.), '70 only side mirror(s), and a '70 only hood latch (actually need that for more than just looking correct; the '71-74 one won't work w/ the header panel.)

There's actually a ton of more give aways that the car isn't a '70 that I don't care about. (Hood hinges, rallye wheel centers, the interior, fuel tank vents, trunk lid torsion springs, etc.)

In all, the parts ran  $5000 (USD) for me, and I'm guessing about $2000 in body work. That plus the price of the car was still a bit cheaper than what the 1970 Barracudas in the same shape seemed to be going for. Would I do it again? No. At the time, I could only afford the 1972-74 models and I wasn't planning on doing a complete restoration anytime soon. Had I known it was going to unravel like this, I would have just saved up for a '70 or '71. The biggest hassle so far has been the NYPD because they suspect that I'm going to tamper with the VIN, drop a Hemi in it, and pawn it off to an unsuspecting buyer for a boat load of cash. I had no idea that there was so much fraud out there. It's crazy.