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383-4 vrs 383hp
« on: November 27, 2006 - 07:05:30 PM »
Just wondering why Ma mopar considered a 383-4 330 horse a non HP motor but the 383-4 335 horse was HP :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Seems to me 5 horse power is peanuts!
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Re: 383-4 vrs 383hp
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2006 - 08:25:47 PM »
I would think the 5 horsepower was an underrated difference.  The cam is different in the 2 motors.  HP, 450 lift compared to 425 lift 4bbl. motor.  The 383 2 bbl motor uses the same cam as the 383 4 bbl. motor. The 330 horse 383 is a 2 bbl motor with a 4 bbl. on it.  The 335 HP has the 4 bbl. and a higher lift cam.  Torque is rated the same.  Maybe it was a game for insurance company premiums.
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Re: 383-4 vrs 383hp
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2006 - 09:05:36 PM »
Good info,thanks
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Re: 383-4 vrs 383hp
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2006 - 09:31:37 AM »
Did all 330 hp 383's have the same cam?What about the super commando?or was that the same thing?
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Re: 383-4 vrs 383hp
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2006 - 09:46:38 AM »
The real reasoning behind the various minor differences, claimed HP, and engine names was marketing.




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Re: 383-4 vrs 383hp
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2006 - 10:01:18 AM »
thanks!
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Re: 383-4 vrs 383hp
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2006 - 12:29:19 PM »
I believe that the carbs were different on the 2 engines:

330hp - Carter
335hp - Holley

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Re: 383-4 vrs 383hp
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2006 - 12:50:18 PM »
I failed to mention a compression difference in the 2 motors.  Scott's post reminded me.  I believe they ran the 10:1 compression in the 335 horse motor to deal with the added cam lift.  The other (330) had 9.2:1.
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Re: 383-4 vrs 383hp
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2006 - 01:17:40 PM »
Here is some more info. I will only post info on the 383 only from 1968 -1972...  I got this on the internet a while back, forgot the site..

In 1968, the 383 got a shot in the arm. While the two-barrel V-8 was downgraded powerwise, the four-barrel V-8 held its own or was upgraded in performance. The Super Commando 383 developed 330 hp at 5000 rpm and 425 pounds-feet of torque at 3200 rpm. Compression ratio was 10.0:1. The air cleaner was unsilenced and the engine used a dual exhaust. The most powerful 383 that year was a special engine developed exclusively for the low-cost Plymouth Road Runner and Dodge's equivalent, the Coronet Super Bee. Chrysler bumped the output of this 383 by bolting on the highperf ormance pa rts designed for the 440 V-8 used in the Plymouth GTX and Dodge Coronet R/T, introduced in 1967.
These high-performance parts consisted of redesigned cylinder heads having larger-diameter exhaust valves (from 1 .60 to 1 .74 inches), and recontoured ports. Heavy-duty valve springs and rocker arms were employed. The camshaft from the high-performance 440 was also used. Atop the engine sat a Carter AVS four-barrel carburetor and a new, dual-plane intake manifold. The air cleaner was unsilenced and the engine, naturally, used dual exhaust. The rating for this 383 was deliberately conservative; 335 hp at 5200 rpm with 425 pounds-feet of torque at 3400 rpm. In totally stock trim, the engine was capable of launching the Road Runner or Coronet Super Bee through the quarter-mile timing Iights at nearly 100 mph with an elapsed time of between fourteen and fifteen seconds. Specifications for this engine remained unchanged for 1969.
In 1970, all three 383's had lowered compression ratios. The twobarrel V-8 was now at 8.7:1, but it still put out 290 hp at 4400 rpm,as it had the previous two years. This engine could now run on regular fuel. The two high-performance four-barrel versions had compression ratios of 9.5:1 . Their horsepower and torque ratings remained the same, however, as did their premium fuel requirements. In addition, the 335-hp 383 was switched to a Holley four-barrel carburetor.
In 1971,the high-performance 383 was detuned. Both the two-barrel and four-barrel 383's that year had their compression ratios lowered to 8.5:1 to run on regular fuel. The two-barrel V-8 was rated at 275 hp at 4400 rpm with 375 pounds-feet of torque at 2800 rpm. The four-barrel 383 had 300 hp at 4800 rpm with 410 pounds-feet of torque at 3400 rpm.
This was the last year of 383 production. Over three million 383's had been built by the end of 1971. Thus, Mopar hot rodders looking for a cheap and plentif ul engine to bring back to life could do no better than the venerable 383.
In 1972, the 383 was replaced by the 400-ci V-8. The higher displacement was achieved by increasing the bore to 4.34 inches. The 400 V-8 was essentially a smog motor, having a compression ratio of 8.2

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Re: 383-4 vrs 383hp
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2006 - 01:36:14 PM »
Weren't both the 330 and 335 horse 383's using the same 906 heads......along with the 440's in '68-70?  That marketing hype about the 383 RR engine using 440 heads was true, but they just didn't mention that the other 383's used em' too.

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Re: 383-4 vrs 383hp
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2006 - 04:54:51 PM »
 They used the 906 heads also in the 2 barrel motors, my father is the original owner of a 69 sport fury with a 383 2 barrel from the factory and single exhaust, The motor has never been apart, a few years back, i pulled a valve cover just to see, and there it was, 906!!! And  this is not the only time i saw this. A 68 chrysler s/w, also the same motor, never been apart, original owner, removed the heads for a valve job, and again, 906, even on a 350 horse 440!!