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Re: Rear-End Help
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2007 - 10:53:08 AM »
Both of those auctions show complete third members, so you would unbolt and remove your old one, and then replace it with these complete units. However, the one with the 3:91 is a sure grip, the other with the 3:23 is not. So, if your swapping the entire case assembly, it doesn't matter 489, 741 or 742. The 741 is the weakest of the three, but if your just a street cruiser and never go to the drag strip and use slicks, you probably would never have problems with it, even witha 440. If your changing just the ring and pinion (gears), then the case number definetly matters. If your just adding a sure grip to you existing carrier, it doesn't matter what case you have.

So we know for sure you have a 489 case. Have you figured out what gears you have? If you have a nice ratio in there now, all you would need to do is add the sure grip device.

For some clarification;

Axle housing- this is the large steel case that houses the axles and third member and sits on the leaf springs.

Gear case- the large iron piece that everything fits into that bolts to the axle housing. These are the 489. 741, 742 designations.

Third member-the complete assembly of case, gears, carrier and bearings.

Gears/ring and pinion- the actual gears that convert the longitudinal twist of the driveshaft to forward rotation that goes to the axles. These are the helical cut pieces that are case specific and do not interchange. Gears MUST designate what case they match, 741, 742 or 489 as the cases are all physically different in relation to the pinion shaft size.

Carrier-this is unit that the ring gear bolts to. It is either open, limited slip or spool in design. The open one is a large open case with some gears and pins, like the 3:23 auction posted above. Limited slip is more closed and contains the clutch and springs or cone assy, like the 3:91 auction above. Spool is a single solid piece that locks both axles together so they have NO differentiating action for wheel speed. These are a race only piece.

The pinion gears goes into the nose of the the gear case. The ring gear bolts to the carrier. The carrier mounts in the gear case. The whole assembly goes into the axle housing.

So, you have a few of choices of how to go form where your at. Buy a compelte third member, like those above, in a gear ratio of your choice and just swap them with your existing unit. You then have a spare third member. You can pull your existing unit and swap the gears and carrier to a ratio you like with the sure-grip. Or if you have a ratio you like now, just add the sure-grip carrier to it.




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Re: Rear-End Help
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2007 - 10:53:50 AM »
The 741 case will "work", but it is the weakest of the three with the smallest pinion and may not hold up to the higher horsepower levels.  The 489 that you have is probably the strongest.  If you have a sure grip unit installed with the gear set you want, you should have a bullet proof rear for the horsepower levels you are talking about.

My biggest problem with my current setup is it's an open differential (90% sure of that) with 2.76 (ish) gears.  I was informed that it would be best to get a whole new setup.  I'm SO new to this, but if I am hearing this right, I should be able to keep my 489 case and now just change the "guts" to get new gears and traction (suregrip, etc.)  Yeah? Neah?

Ok, just read your post HP2 and it sounds like I can get a new gears and carrier, correct?  Because I'd like to stay with the 489 case if it's the strongest, ya never know what $$$ I may run into to bump my 440 hp from 450+ to over 550 hehehe....
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Re: Rear-End Help
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2007 - 10:55:52 AM »
Yes correct.  When talking to a supplier allways reffer to your diff center as the 489 case to make sure you get the right parts for it. :2thumbs:
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Re: Rear-End Help
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2007 - 12:22:36 PM »
Ok, so now I can officially begin my search!  Looking for either 3.55's or 3.73's and a sure grip carrier.  If anyone sees any good deals, send them my way please!   :2thumbs:
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Re: Rear-End Help
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2008 - 04:54:46 PM »
http://houston.craigslist.org/pts/524542399.html

Could someone tell me if this would work?  I should be able to just use the guts right?
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Re: Rear-End Help
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2008 - 05:15:18 PM »
That seems a bit iffy to me.  If I remember correctly if they are referring to this as a "Detroit Locker" style sure grip, then that is primarily meant for drag racing, or in this case 4 wheel drive trucking.  It is a very severe sure grip that is not too good for taking turns, and is pretty much always engaged.  Both rear wheels turn at the same speed at all times except when turning, but when you turn you get the clunck clunck of the differential "slipping".  Someone please smack me if I am in left field on this, but that is what it sounds like to me.  With that said, if the price is right, talk to the seller and see how they liked using it.  The gear ratio is higher than what you want, but a lot of people like the 3.91 ration (that's what I have, too).

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Re: Rear-End Help
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2008 - 08:31:17 AM »
RDF, Don't go with a used set of 3:91s that are also missing the front yoke.  3:91s are too steep for a 440 and any kind of highway driving.   I have 3:55s now just because I run an overdrive trans. A 3:23 clutch-style sure grip would be the best way to go for some street and highway. 3:55s and 3:91s if you stay off of the highway most of the time and just want to street race. 
With an open rear end, and one tire not turning, I let the tire make 2 complete revolutions while counting driveshaft turns. You'll probably see yours turn 2.75 times.

  For the 360, right now, I would get those 3:91s from Craigslist and start smoking tires!

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