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Rear sway bar:aftermarket vs OEM?
« on: February 08, 2008 - 02:11:45 PM »
I need to install a rear swaybar. My car was a factory "special handling" buildsheet car. Am I better off getting a decent OEM frame mount bar or is my new Hellwig axle hung model as good? The Hellwig is a larger diameter I think than OEM. 
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Re: Rear sway bar:aftermarket vs OEM?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2008 - 02:36:48 PM »
I like the look of the Firm Feel unit, looks very close to the original unit with a bigger bar.
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Re: Rear sway bar:aftermarket vs OEM?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2008 - 04:44:41 PM »
bigger is not always better. I'd leave the stock rear with poly mounts/endlinks and go a little bigger up front with stock bushings/endlinks if anything.
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Re: Rear sway bar:aftermarket vs OEM?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2008 - 07:43:46 PM »
I got the Helwig bar on mine, I ended up having to put 1 bolt in instaed of the self tapping frame mount screws that come with.  Not as nice a mount as the factory I'm sure.  But it seems pretty secure.  All I got for pics right now but i could snap a couple for you if necessary.  The instructions are pretty terrible. :2cents:

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Re: Rear sway bar:aftermarket vs OEM?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2008 - 05:00:35 PM »
The handling basics are the less unsprung weight the better the car will handle so attaching the bar to the diff is the Wrong way , attaching it to the frame is far superior , the Factory bar & the Firm feel are the best design , I would use Poly mounts & end links kits
 I installed a Challenger rear sway bar in my 71 Charger last week just to get away from the B body bar hanging on the diff

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Re: Rear sway bar:aftermarket vs OEM?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2008 - 07:30:30 AM »
Just an FYI, the "special handling" nomenclature means your car was a special build for either an executive of Chrysler, some special show purpose, or as a dealer special of some sort. It actually had nothing to do with the performance potential of the car so much as the "handling" of the order, build, and delivery process.

CP is right in that you generally want to reduce any unsprung weight in your car, which means the car will "feel"  the frame hung unit differently. However, for actual performance in a street cruiser you probably won't notice the difference between a frame hung bar and a axle hung bar. Additionally, the axle hung bar will allow you more room over the axle for exhaust routing.

As far as size, that is wholly dependant upon what you have up front, plus leaf spring and torsion bars. If you have a 1" bar up front you probably won't want a 1" bar out back. The reason being that the combined t-bar, leaf spring and sway bars have to have balance. They have to support the weight at their respective ends of the car. So, with the majority of the weight on the nose, you need to have t-bar and s-bar rates significantly higher on that end of the car. If you have super stock leaf springs, you have increased the rear spring rate enough that adding a sway bar may make it feel very light in the rear, especially if you have the stock t-bars and s-bar.

So, in a nut shell, you always go big up front, and small or not at all out back when dealing with predominately stock vehicles.

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Re: Rear sway bar:aftermarket vs OEM?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2008 - 08:36:27 AM »
Ok, good stuff. Thanks. So if I put this beefy Hellwig on (I think its 1"dia) with the stock S-bar and T-bars up front, am I REALLY creating an unsafe combo for conservative street driving? I could go without but the inside wheelwells are kissing the insidewalls of the 315's I put on. Would like to stabilize that condition.
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Re: Rear sway bar:aftermarket vs OEM?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2008 - 01:54:31 PM »
I would recommend staying with a slightly smaller bar on the rear of the car , if you have a 1" front use a 3/4 - 7/8" on the rear

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Re: Rear sway bar:aftermarket vs OEM?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2008 - 05:33:44 PM »
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However, for actual performance in a street cruiser you probably won't notice the difference between a frame hung bar and a axle hung bar.

Its a 7/8" dia OEM bar up front, and the Hellwig is a 1"dia bar. Unless this going to create some REALLY wierd handling characteristics I'd like to go with what I already have.  I have located another OEM rear bar and could get it but if the difference is negiglible and would save me the possible trip back to the muffler shop to reconfigure things to clear, then I am all for it.
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Re: Rear sway bar:aftermarket vs OEM?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2008 - 12:47:56 PM »
The bigger rear sway bar than a front bar would probablymake the rear end loose to a point of feeling like it's driving on ice.

I beleive Hellwigs are designed as a set with a very large 1.25, tubular front bar and a 1" adjustable rear bar. In combination with each other, they work well as they are designed to compliment one another.

It is all about the combination. There is the variable of how stiff that 1" bar actually is. If it has a lot of bends or really long attaching arms, then it may not produce a rate of resistance that is comparable to a smaller, more directly connected style of sway bar.

But, there's always a but isn't there, what size are your torsion bars and what kind of leaf springs do you have?

Example, .92 torsion bars, .875 (7/8) front sway bar and and stock style XHD leaf springs will feel fine without a rear sway bar. 1.22 torsion bars with a .875 front sway bar and original 4 leaf rear springs could probably get away with a 1" rear sway bar without any trouble.

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Re: Rear sway bar:aftermarket vs OEM?
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2008 - 08:17:48 PM »
HP2 is correct , the sway bar rate is a combination of dia / length of lever so often a 1" bar with
 a long lever can actually be softer than a 3/4 " bar with a shorter lever

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