question about the tremec 5 speed

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Offline RickyBobby74

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question about the tremec 5 speed
« on: February 15, 2008 - 04:26:57 PM »
i have decided to spend my re enlistment money on my challenger. i was wondering if the (classic mopar 5 speed) tremec, auto to manual conversion is worth the money? has anyone installed this in there challenger, and have you had any major issues with the kit during or after the installation? Also i would like to see some pictures of the stock 4 speed shifter location and the five speeds location. could i use the original center consoul with the pistol grip shifter or is there a completly different consoul i would have to use? did challengers with manuals even have a center consoul? pictures would be nice please.  :bigsmile:
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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2008 - 05:56:18 PM »
I used the Keisler kit on my 73 E-body which was a 4-speed. The shifter location is in the same spot as the original shifter is. You would have to cut this hole in your floor as you are switching from an auto. Keisler has the floor humps already made to weld in as you will also have to modify your tunnel for the trans to fit. (Didn't see these on classic's site) You will also need the clutch and brake pedals and the linkage for the clutch or you could go with a hydralic clutch. (didn't see them on classic's site either) The console's are slightly different between the 4 spd's and the auto's but you should be able to make the one you have work with a little modification. The swap is a lot more work than they make it sound. I think it is one of the best improvements I have made to my car as crusing on the highway is a lot better now. Sorry don't have any pics handy on this computer.
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Offline DougsR/T

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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2008 - 07:00:19 PM »
I posted this last summer.
We converted from auto to 5 speed.
It went very smooth!!
Here are some pictures!!

Doug

http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=36598.msg366771#msg366771


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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2008 - 07:09:37 PM »
Doug
In august you said  "I'd do it again in a heart beat!!!"

Do you thank that today?

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Offline Carlwalski

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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2008 - 07:29:43 PM »


Purchased a Auto-5-Speed Keisler conversion kit, yet to install it or even mock it up yet, can't wait! Both seem like good places offering the same basic kit, I think Keisler is the complete kit, 100% everything. Classic seem to be missing a few pieces, I'm sure of it, no floor hump and some other odds and ends (no major parts). Both use the same Tremec transmission though so the major part is good where ever you buy it, just do it, you'll be happier. ;)

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Offline DougsR/T

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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2008 - 08:58:54 PM »
<Doug
In august you said  "I'd do it again in a heart beat!!!"

Do you thank that today?

Thanks
ss>

We live in Minnesota and have about 3 feet of snow on the ground!! We are looking forward to this summer and will be driving everywhere!! Yep, I'd do it again in a heart beat!!!
It was fun putting it in. I've done it once, the second time would be much easier. My wife would tell you the only part the sucked was bleeding the hyd clutch pedal (she was in the car, pushing the pedal)
The instructions did indicate it might take time to bleed.
Doug
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Offline RickyBobby74

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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2008 - 03:52:40 AM »
Mopar73340, about how much modification was needed on the transmission tunnel? i found these guys thumbing thru one of my mopar muscle magz. has anyone used them before at www.brewersperformance.com for a four speed conversion? i think a four speed would be just as fun to drive. thanks for the pictures of the install Doug. the keisler kit seems to have everything but is a little too expensive for me right now. what do you guys think of a four speed conversion kit from brewer's? i contacted them and asked for a list of all the parts im going to need and the prices. they say the kit starts out at 3,550$ for E-bodys
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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2008 - 05:05:57 PM »
The trans tunnel needed to go up about 3/4 of and inch in the middle of the tunnel and towards the passenger side to clear the shifter plates on the top of the trans. Keep in mind my car was a 4-spd car, an auto will need more as the drivers side of the hump is also rounded like the passenger side of the 4-spd tunnel. The 833 will be an easier install as it is rounded on the top and is not as wide. Remember also that the shifter linkage is external on the 833 and the drivers side of the tunnel will need to be modified to clear the linkage. If you are going to have to modify the floor you might as well put the 5-spd in. I have never used brewers but have heard nothing but good about them or passion performance as far as 4-spd's go.
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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2008 - 06:00:33 AM »
  I bought all my conversion parts from Keisler & Brewrers, both of these suppliers are very helpful and professional.   :thumbsup:
  I am only doing an auto to 4spd.   :burnout:
  I was able to order and buy everything from Australia and organise delivery to a Kansas address ( Themopardude, very helpful ). It would much easier for you local fellows.   :2thumbs:
  Check out themopardudes web site as he lists a 5spd conversion on a '70 Challenger, under 'whats in the shop', he has done a few and is very helpful. He is also on Keisler's prefered fitters list.

   David
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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2008 - 03:54:53 PM »
The Classic Mopar 5 Speed transmission has a few, but very significant differences from the Keilser offerings.  First off, they use the same tranmission from Tremec.  This is where differences start, the shifters on both kits are relocated to come up in the correct factory floor location.  The shifter on the Classic unit is a McLeod Slik-Stick, a very nice piece that uses a ball and socket system.  Keisler using the stock billet unit that the transmission ships with and uses a linkage to the get to the external shifter rail.  Classic has move all the external shifter rail parts forward to remove the potential for drive line vibration.  The length of the yoke exiting the tail housing is critical in minimizing drive line vibrations. 

The "extra" parts that you do not see on Classic's website are available on the open market.  The reason that they do not stock these parts is the cost of shipping to California, warehousing and such that drives up the cost.  Classic will provide you with a list of the parts that are available on the open market that you can purchase directly and save yourself money.


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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2008 - 07:31:17 PM »
Sooooooooooo bigblue,

I see you wook for classic 5 speed very cool. :thumbsup:
I see you also have a new bell housing for the 3g hemi cool. :2thumbs:
Do you have any used or discounted 5 speeds? :stirpot:


Thank you. :bigshades:
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« Last Edit: February 20, 2008 - 07:47:17 PM by thedodgeboys »
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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2008 - 08:47:55 PM »
Now that's funny - LOL      :stirpot:

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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2008 - 08:51:36 PM »
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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2008 - 01:23:26 PM »
Regardless of who you go with, the Tremec is the best modification you can do to your car that CAN pay for itself.  The increased gas mileage and the lower engine RPM are huge benefits of overdrive.

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Re: question about the tremec 5 speed
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2008 - 12:51:29 PM »
The question that you brought up about the console is correct.  The automatic console is different from the 4 speed.  The top plate is different as we all know.  The automatic console has a smaller opening on the bottom as opposed to the 4 speed.  The console can be modified to get around the shifter boot.