Author Topic: Head bolts or studs and should they both be torqued the same?  (Read 1081 times)

Offline blown74

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 90
  • Never go less then 60 MPH in Reverse! Bel Air, Md
Head bolts or studs and should they both be torqued the same?
« on: August 25, 2008 - 11:08:09 PM »
I've got a slight oil leak on one off my head gaskets.  :( Since I'm pulling of the heads should I go with new ARP bolts or ARP studs? I'm thinking studs. If I go with the ARP studs are they still torqued to 70 lbs? I'm going to torque in 3 stages following the factory sequence 40lbs to 55lbs to 70lbs

Thanks in advance

Don
American Muscle Rocks !!




Offline Chryco Psycho

  • Administrator
  • C-C.com Guru
  • *****
  • Posts: 36620
  • 70 Challenger R/T SE 70 tube Chassis Cuda now sold
Re: Head bolts or studs and should they both be torqued the same?
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2008 - 01:23:07 AM »
I believe youi can go 5 lbs higher but with alum heads it is 10 lbs less to allow for the greater expansion of the heads

Challenger - You`ll wish You Hadn`t

Offline Moparal

  • Permanent Resident
  • *******
  • Posts: 13085
Re: Head bolts or studs and should they both be torqued the same?
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2008 - 02:32:00 AM »
Not sure, but are your heads flat? Also, were they belt sanded or milled flat? a belt sander will leave certain types of hard to seal lines on the head.

Are you dry tq'ing your heads? 30 wt oil? or molly lube? tq setting are different with these 3 ways. If you use studs, the nuts only go on 1 way.

Offline blown74

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 90
  • Never go less then 60 MPH in Reverse! Bel Air, Md
Re: Head bolts or studs and should they both be torqued the same?
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2008 - 11:03:55 AM »
I can use oil or molly lube on the heads bolts / studs. One chart I have claims you reduce torque by 15 to 25% with Oil and 50% with dry film (Teflon on Moly based). Not sure about the heads but it I had to guess I would say they were milled flat. Any way to tell?
American Muscle Rocks !!

Offline Chryco Psycho

  • Administrator
  • C-C.com Guru
  • *****
  • Posts: 36620
  • 70 Challenger R/T SE 70 tube Chassis Cuda now sold
Re: Head bolts or studs and should they both be torqued the same?
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2008 - 11:31:31 AM »
straight edge & a feeler guage

Challenger - You`ll wish You Hadn`t

Offline moper

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 2368
Re: Head bolts or studs and should they both be torqued the same?
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2008 - 12:14:39 PM »
Consult ARP... you must use the right lube, and the spec will be different. I  would call ARP.

nivvy

  • Guest
Re: Head bolts or studs and should they both be torqued the same?
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2008 - 09:01:56 PM »
Consult ARP... you must use the right lube, and the spec will be different. I  would call ARP.

 :iagree:

Offline moper

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 2368
Re: Head bolts or studs and should they both be torqued the same?
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2008 - 09:27:20 PM »
A quick look on the website looks like 95 foot punds with ARP lube, 125 with SAE30 WT oil. There is no allowance for material type.

Offline Changin Gears

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1011
Re: Head bolts or studs and should they both be torqued the same?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2008 - 10:27:13 PM »
The ARP studs have a different torque not only because of the material but the fine threads of the nuts you are tightening.


The goal never changes - Stop the 60' timer with your back tires

Offline Aussie Challenger

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 3407
  • In Kansas loaded for Drive to West Coast.
Re: Head bolts or studs and should they both be torqued the same?
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2008 - 08:35:34 AM »
  I always use a washer under the head stud or nut and a lubricant ( on any performance motor). When the bolts/nuts have all been torqued down I then back-off each one 1/2 turn approx in sequence and retorque. Since doing this I haven't had a head gasket failure and usually they will go down another 1/2 turn, on race motors I do this 3 times. I believe that I get a more even distribution across the head/s, I also put a small drop of lubricant under the head bolt/nut each time I do this.   :2thumbs:
Dave

Offline Changin Gears

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1011
Re: Head bolts or studs and should they both be torqued the same?
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2008 - 08:44:19 PM »
  I always use a washer under the head stud or nut and a lubricant ( on any performance motor). When the bolts/nuts have all been torqued down I then back-off each one 1/2 turn approx in sequence and retorque. Since doing this I haven't had a head gasket failure and usually they will go down another 1/2 turn, on race motors I do this 3 times. I believe that I get a more even distribution across the head/s, I also put a small drop of lubricant under the head bolt/nut each time I do this.   :2thumbs:

I take this process one step farther, I wait over-night before I back off and re-torque.


The goal never changes - Stop the 60' timer with your back tires