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Offline lemming303

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Difference between lockup and non-lockup tcs?
« on: November 25, 2008 - 11:18:39 PM »
I don't understand. I thought they all lock-up.
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Re: Difference between lockup and non-lockup tcs?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2008 - 06:36:31 AM »
"Lock up" torque converter

Although the torque converter clutch is not part of the engine, it can make the car feel like the engine has a problem. The torque converter clutch is also known as a lock up converter. The lockup clutch has many purposes and is part of the transmission. A regular converter in an automatic transmission is made to slip at idle so that the car doesn't move. As the accelerator is pressed the RPM's raise and the torque converter will start to lockup or engage. When the converter engages the car will move.

Even though the torque converter is engaged it never completely engages the way a manual transmission car clutch will. It will always slip a little, which is not very efficient. This is why a manual transmission car gets better gas mileage and has more power than an automatic transmission car. To increase power and mainly fuel mileage, a TCC is added to an automatic transmission.

The torque converter clutch is an electronic clutch that will engage the engine and drivetrain 100 percent. The TCC is made to engage usually only in the top gear when the car is cruising, not accelerating. The lock up converter will disengage when the accelerator is pressed hard enough. Over time the clutch will wear out especially if the vehicle ever towed anything and was operated in overdrive (top gear). This will wear the clutch out prematurely. If you have a tachometer you will see the RPM's drop a few hundred when it engages.

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Re: Difference between lockup and non-lockup tcs?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2008 - 01:38:02 PM »
Cool Thanks man. Are you typing these up or copying and pasting from somewhere? If you are copying them, where can I find the source? I need a good manual with info like this.
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Re: Difference between lockup and non-lockup tcs?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2008 - 02:05:59 PM »
I look on the internet for info that already says what I want to tell you,then I copy and paste it. It is quicker for me that way.  :2thumbs:  If I don't find it,then I get my two fingers a going and I start typing.
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Re: Difference between lockup and non-lockup tcs?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2008 - 03:02:45 PM »
google:

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all of these sites have some basic tech info but are more geared towards people in the field.
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Re: Difference between lockup and non-lockup tcs?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2008 - 03:46:22 PM »
Here is how you tell if your 904 or 727 is a lock up or not.(input shaft)
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Re: Difference between lockup and non-lockup tcs?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2008 - 09:59:55 PM »
Maybe someone can help me out.  I have a 727 with a 440.  Bought the car running and don't know what all has been done to it.  Anyway when you start the car up and put in drive it just sits there for a minute or two than it will start moving.  It doesn't slip at all when you get on it.  I believe it has a shift kit in it.  It has a B&M reverse shifter.  I plan on converting to a 5 speed later on and enjoy being able to drive it now. :feedback:

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Re: Difference between lockup and non-lockup tcs?
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2008 - 11:18:55 AM »
Kevin, that's caused by the fluid draining down in the torque converter while sitting, a common problem with torqueflites. The reason it doesn't move when first put in drive is because it doesn't pump fluid in park, and the torque converter has to fill back up when you put it in gear. That is why the dipstick says to check the fluid level in neutral. I always put mine in neutral for a minute after starting before putting it in gear and it takes care of the problem.
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Re: Difference between lockup and non-lockup tcs?
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2008 - 07:04:30 PM »
Thanks alot heminut.  I least know something is'nt about to go south on me.  I was kinda worried that it might break

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Re: Difference between lockup and non-lockup tcs?
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2008 - 09:13:31 PM »
I didn't know that either. Thanks.
Kevin

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