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Offline ragtopdodge

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UAW Workers paid too much...NOT!
« on: January 17, 2009 - 12:58:42 PM »
Seems like GM upper Mgt disagrees w/all your UAW haters!

http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-exec-uaw-wage-cuts-not-needed.html
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Re: UAW Workers paid too much...NOT!
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2009 - 01:06:24 PM »
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Re: UAW Workers paid too much...NOT!
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2009 - 01:13:01 PM »
They didn't say anything about not cutting the benifits...and that is what costs GM and Chrysler a lot of money.
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Re: UAW Workers paid too much...NOT!
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2009 - 01:34:01 PM »
bunch of crooks
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Re: UAW Workers paid too much...NOT!
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2009 - 02:00:55 PM »
I'm over it. I am going to purchasing another Volkswagen Turbo Diesel come tax return time. Sorry Domestics and Union boys, but you can take your whiney ball bag problems and ride out the storm while I buy from a company that is making a product I want, upper 40's in mpg (with a few inexpensive mods) and a diesel engine in a car that will clock 500,000 miles.

My current TDI gets 48-50 mpg's consistently and it's 8 years old with 150,000.

I don't buy into the fact that foreign cars are superior but I do believe the the fact is US domestics and thier Union employees can't get thier shtuff together so I will support a truelly innovative car mfg.

Plus, VW will be producing a clean diesel car inthier new Chatanooga, TN plant and I will be getting a $1,300 a year tax credit for buying a "green" car.

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Re: UAW Workers paid too much...NOT!
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2009 - 07:21:11 PM »
Lets set the record straight.  UAW workers do not make $75.00 an hour.....

And for those who question the Quality of the Big 3...stop questioning and face the facts.....fact is the quality gap between the Big 3 and the foreign automakers is not longer present.....

See the article below.....it is very good!!!

http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/auto_debunking_myths_detroit/


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Re: UAW Workers paid too much...NOT!
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2009 - 07:52:12 PM »
I guess as long as you've got a job, its everyone else's "whiney ball bag" problems.

I'm ok with paying more for a product if it supports US workers in a livable wage with benefits. I'd prefer that foreign companies pay their workers more too, maybe then we could stop supporting all the starving folks overseas? And after all, would you rather have a crappy job that barely pays enough or one where you can pay your bills and see a doctor?

And besides, its all coming from somewhere. Take WalMart for example. Cheap prices on crap made in China. Great if you're trying to save a buck right? Well, it screws with our trade deficit, nice huh? And, at least here in CA, roughly 50% of WalMart employees are on MediCal!!! Which means although I might save a buck at WalMart, Arnie has to turn around and take that buck out of my taxes. Hell, he probably has to take more than a buck because of all the government waste in the MediCal program. So how am I ahead?


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Re: UAW Workers paid too much...NOT!
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009 - 12:20:23 AM »
Lets set the record straight.  UAW workers do not make $75.00 an hour.....


I believe that is the hourly wage if you factor in all the benefits.

I was told that the workers at windsor assembly only work 7.5 hrs and get paid for 8 so they can leave early so at to make room in the  parking lot for the next shift!!
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Re: UAW Workers paid too much...NOT!
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009 - 07:49:13 PM »
The $75.00 an hour factored in all benefits of active currently employed workers as well as the benefits of the ALL of the retiree's.  Then our lovely congress who never do their homework started throwing this number around comparing it to Toyota wages of $45.00 or so an hour which included their benefits. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2009 - 09:01:52 PM »
I work civil service and I know there's plenty to be said of gov't workers too, but by and large are hard working americans. When the BRAC commission came through in 1993 thousands of DOD employess were laid off. I lost my job, but was moved to a lower position within the gov't. Many of my friends lost their jobs and went out the gate. Quite a few of them went to work at the Norfolk VA Ford plant. They made mostly Ford trucks. Now after the Ford plant has closed many of them are back working civil service. As far as $75 bucks an hour, maybe not that much but they made a TON more than we make civil service and many of my old friends were making well over 100K/year and that was 10 years ago. Unfortunately now the plant that had been open nearly 90 years is closed for good in part to the economy and then to the cost of pay/benefits that Ford could no longer pay and still turn a profit :money:

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2009 - 09:17:22 PM »
They didn't say anything about not cutting the benifits...and that is what costs GM and Chrysler a lot of money.

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Re: UAW Workers paid too much...NOT!
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2009 - 05:48:19 AM »
Now after the Ford plant has closed many of them are back working civil service. As far as $75 bucks an hour, maybe not that much but they made a TON more than we make civil service and many of my old friends were making well over 100K/year and that was 10 years ago. Unfortunately now the plant that had been open nearly 90 years is closed for good in part to the economy and then to the cost of pay/benefits that Ford could no longer pay and still turn a profit :money:

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While I agree with some of the statements being made, Matt I have to tell you they do not close plants PURELY based on wage and benefits costs.  You said it was a truck plant correct?  Not sure when they closed it but I will add some additional comments for thought...

1st - If this plant closed recently - I would have to say it may have been due to the big increase fuel over the last several years ($4.00 a gallon plus).  We all know most trucks do not get great gas mileage.  Second, most of the Big 3 have multiple facilities where the same vehicle or vehicle type is made which can lead to underutilization of resources (to many facilities) leading to increased cost  (Just think about this, how much do you think GM, Ford, or Chrysler pays per month in utility bills...I know the answer to one of them).  Closing the facility was more than likely a business decision where operations from one plant was moved to the other so they could better utilize resources thus eliminating the costs associated with turning on the lights, power, equipment, air, furnaces, AC, and water to the facility that was not as efficient.  Along with this comes the reduction of manpower as some of the workers were probably offered jobs at other facilities, some were bought out, and some just quit.  My point to all of this is simply this,,,,,,these tough situations where plants are being closed has more to do with efficiency of operations than it does with the wages and benefits of current employees.  I also agree that retirement benefits are hurting ALL 3 of the Big 3 from a cost standpoint.  Also, you stated 10 years ago they were making over 100K,,,,,10 years ago the economy was booming, people were buying vehicles, people were not being laid off but instead were being hired, companies were posting great profits leading to profit sharing checks in many industries, many were expanding operations, consumers had confidence in the economy, and NO ONE, NO ONE was worried about losing their job and or gas prices.  I could go on and on however my one and only point is wages and benefits are a small part of any business decision when closing facilities.....

 
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2009 - 06:46:06 AM »
I think understand the who, what, how, when, where & why,of the Ford plant closing. I've had to hear it (and all the arguments to keep it open) from the locals & the news media here for the last several years. It was bigs news as it affected thousands of folks and was one of the largest single employer for skilled industrial labor in the region. I was simply pointing out that they did indeed make a HUGE amount more in pay & benefits for comparable skilled labor in other jobs in the private industrial sector.

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Re: UAW Workers paid too much...NOT!
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2009 - 07:48:54 AM »
If your selling products globally then, regardless of what it is, you have to be prepared to compete at a global level.  If you can't compete, you fail.  That's the way it should be.  It seems like too many people focus on the short term pains and fail to realize that the long term effects of "bailing out" companies to try and fix them, short term, are likely far worse.  There's no way around pain during this correction.  That is a fact.

I happen to own all american cars and this has always been the case.  I do this because I happen to like the feel and looks of them.  I would not, however, pay extra for a car just because it is american made.  That's charity, and a disservice to these companies as it gives the impression that they are making cars that people like. 

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