The times, they have changed!!!

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Offline burnt orange

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Re: The times, they have changed!!!
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2009 - 11:37:56 AM »
All this discussion takes me back to my original post.  I don't believe that it is any one group that has screwed us, it is each and every one of us.  I suppose if you want to to see who is to blame, start by looking in the mirror.  What I was trying to get across was that the whole system has changed and our economy and place in the world is not where it used to be.  We no longer operate on the same value system that guided us and enabled America to thrive. 

You see,  a value system is that which encourages charity, responsibility, taking care of your neighbors, sharing what you have, helping out without expectation of reward, being community-minded.  Henry Ford found a way to reduce costs and he passed it on to his employees.  He instituted the minimum wage. He was civic minded and helped his community and country.  AND he got rich.  Not uber-rich.  Each one of us is responsible for the conditions we find ourselves in and we can and must make some changes.

After the Columbine shootings someone asked "How could God let this happen in our schools?"  The answer is that we have kicked God out of our schools.   The USA was built on Christian princilpes and it is a value system that worked well for us.  We are now rejecting those values and look what is happening! 

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Offline 73dce

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Re: The times, they have changed!!!
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2009 - 11:44:02 AM »
Good posting.... :iagree:

Offline priderocks

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Re: The times, they have changed!!!
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2009 - 11:53:12 AM »
burntorange, well-said. An enlightening if somewhat boring read is a book called "The Tragedy of American Compassion" (I think that's the title). It shows how before big government, charity was the domain of churches and charities. Individuals and families were examined to determine if they were worthy of receiving charity, i.e. no deadbeats, alcoholics, etc. Nobody was "entitled" to anything like today. Government has usurped that role. And families were continually held accountable for how the charity was used. Go to church, they said. Get your act together, they said. Repeat visits by charity workers confirmed the money was not being spent on booze, etc.

That's cool that you said we are all part of the problems we face today. Blaming politicians, the rich, the Chinese, illegals, whoever, certainly makes us feel better about us. The bible says "every man is right in his own eyes".

Offline bb71challenger

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Re: The times, they have changed!!!
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2009 - 12:25:54 PM »
Whats rich? 50k 100k 250k a year? We generally work 5 12-16 hr days and two of 6-8. yes we have benefits of writeoffs, but we still pay a crapload of taxes. Now, I don't have a problem paying taxes, I have a problem with how the gov. uses it! Do I like the fact we are upwords of the 50% bracket? nope sorry. so yes I will take every advantage that is available to us.

Well to me all those numbers are merely from low to high middle class. To me rich is liquid enough to stop working today and never lack for money. I hear ya about writeoffs, I will do everything I can too. I am talking about people that are liquid enough to keep from paying much if any income taxes. I dont have a problem with someone working hard and that really doesnt factor into what I am talking about.
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Offline lemming303

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Re: The times, they have changed!!!
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2009 - 01:03:32 PM »

But isn't it "government of the people, by the people, for the people"  and if so, how did we let it get away from us?  What can we do about it? :villagers: :aarg:



You know what happened? The civil war. The civil war wasn't about slavery, that's just what the schools teach. It was about The Government becoming too big and We the People losing our say in it. But the "Union" won, and now the Government is where it is at now.

Please don't think I'm some southern white trash redneck hillbilly racist, because I'm not. Its just that I know the truth about history, and our schools don't teach it right. They are too concerned with being politically correct. Same reason they keep trying to take God out of the schools and the same reason they are trying to make it where kids don't have to say the Pledge of Allegiance anymore. I'm glad that most schools down here in Texas still say prayers before games and competitions, even though our awesome Government doesn't want us to.
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