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Offline mojavered

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Stroker Question
« on: April 24, 2009 - 06:05:31 PM »
Would you use 9:1 compression in a 440-500 stroker motor to be able to use 87 oct?  Or Do you think that it is a waste?  I live in CA where we have the 91 octane only and want to be able to run 87 all day long.  Thanks!
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Re: Stroker Question
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2009 - 06:35:05 PM »
The bigger the pistons, the harder that is to achieve, but with the right head chambers and cam I think it's possible. At worst you'd have to run the timing back from optimum.
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Re: Stroker Question
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2009 - 04:40:56 AM »
I would try to get a quench piston or head combo to kill the detonation , if you get a stepped piston you can have both qurnch & the lower compression

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Re: Stroker Question
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2009 - 11:28:11 AM »
Bigger engines like more static. But the package has to be built for pump fuel. I typically run 10-10.5:1 static, and 8.25:1 dynamic with iron, 8.5:1 with aluminum, and those run on pump 89. Strokers use less timing and the piston speed creates static compression easy. 9:1 would give up economy and lose torque. But really, with 500", you wont notice the loss...lol.

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Re: Stroker Question
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2009 - 12:01:11 PM »
I didnt know CA only let you have 91, can you go to a small local airport and buy 100 low lead, I use to fly and that wouldnt have been a problem up here in MI. Just tell them you have a homebuilt and little strip behind the house.
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Re: Stroker Question
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2009 - 06:10:56 PM »
You can find the higher octane fuel, but standard at the pumps is 87, 89, and 91. 
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Re: Stroker Question
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2009 - 08:03:27 PM »
I didnt know CA only let you have 91, can you go to a small local airport and buy 100 low lead, I use to fly and that wouldnt have been a problem up here in MI. Just tell them you have a homebuilt and little strip behind the house.


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Re: Stroker Question
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2009 - 10:13:35 PM »
Not to mention we can pull into 1/2 dozen stations around here and pump 110 right into the car. :naughty:
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Re: Stroker Question
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2009 - 10:55:38 PM »
I would try to get a quench piston or head combo to kill the detonation , if you get a stepped piston you can have both qurnch & the lower compression
Making use of quench piston and head combo would let you run more compression and still get away with 85-87 cheap gas without detonation.    Typically set your quench clearance to 0.035-0.040 inch, but you MUST measure everything, double check yourself and the machine shop work.  I do what Smokey Yunick suggests, mock the short block with crank and one piston/rod comb in #! hole. Check clearance at TDC, then put that piston/rod in the other 3 corners and measure TDC there too.  Assuming your crank stroke has been checked, you now know how much to deck the block for piston typically flush with top of block for 0.040 head gasket.  Then after you get the block back from decking, mock it up again to check the machine shop work.  I had one block where the shop foregot to take that last 0.010 off one deck surface, caught the error in the second mock up.   
Like Chryco said you will need cylinder head with quench pad built into combustion chamber.  Most of the OEM BB mopar heads DO NOT have a quench pad.  IF you go aluminum heads you can raise compression typically ONE full point of compression and still run on 85-87 octane pump gas.  So now you could build a 10-10.5:1 static compression and run on cheapest pump gas.
Remember, the engines resistance to detonation diminishes somewhat during the first 10,000-20,000 miles, so I have read we should add compression conservatively.
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Re: Stroker Question
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2009 - 03:39:10 PM »
Thanks for all the replies.  Hopefully my engine guy has it all figured out.  He said that there is a lot that has to be taken in to account and started explaining all the quench and static vs dynamic and next thing you know I was thinking about something else. :blah:  I think that I need a visual to fully understand.  Is there a good BB video out there that you all might know about that can show the ins and outs when it comes to that kind of stuff?  Appreciate the feedback.
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Re: Stroker Question
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2009 - 12:06:45 PM »
Honestly, it sounds as if you should be LISTENING to the engine guy. Intently, if possible...lol. Start doing some research. You wont find all the ideas in one place.

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Re: Stroker Question
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2009 - 07:53:08 PM »
What I have done to help me learn is google questions. You can find a lot of info by googling it. That's how I learned about camshafts, auto transmissions, turbos, carburetors, at least the little stuff that I do know. I am still learning a lot, but Google makes it a lot easier.
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