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Setting valve lash on solid roller 440?
« on: June 01, 2009 - 12:45:59 PM »
I've searched this forum and google for a good explaination on how to set valve lash and I'm still scratching my head because I'm not sure what needs to be taken into account when the cam is not "stock".  I've seen procedures saying to adjust IN/EX on one cylinder at a time (rotating the engine and watching the valve lift ofcourse) and I've seen the century performance page that describes a Chevy firing order where you set the opposing cyclinder while you are looking at an intake valve that you are not currently adjusting.  Considering all the specs and installed conditions that vary from cam to cam I'm just not sure what procedure I should use.  Not to mention, the Century page seems to focus on Chevy's.     

Sooooo, if you guys can help me (and probably several others in the process) with a walkthrough on the Mopar approved procedure I would be very grateful!

Here's the specs:

Cam:
Comp Cams grind VR-280R-10 (This is on the engine build sheet, but I can't find this grind on their website???)
Duration @ .050 IN/EX .242/.248
Lobe center 110 installed at 107
Lobe lift IN/EX .414/.414

Valve Train:
Comp Cams ratio IN/EX 1.5/1.5
Valve lift IN/EX .621/.621

Hot Valve Lash IN/EX .018/.018

I have more specs so just ask if needed, but I thought these were relevant.

Thanks!
« Last Edit: June 01, 2009 - 01:13:24 PM by BacardiCBR »
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Re: Setting valve lash on solid roller 440?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2009 - 02:52:50 PM »
If you have the intake and carb off, then it is super easy to view and understand. But first you have to tighen down the rocker shafts and have all the rockers loose and the plugs out of the engine.  Then you need to be able to rotate the engine without the ignition being on :bigsmile: Like at the relay.  When the intake is going up, the exhaust will start going down. The intake will then close all the way once the exhaust goes down a bit. Do a ruff setting on the intake say at 25 thou or so. Then slowly rotate a bit more and as the intake starts to go down, the exhaust comes up, keep rotating untill it is close and go a bit more. Then set the exhaust around 25 thou. Keep in mind that with a 621 lift cam, if you do all the same side the cam is stressed some with the open pressure it is recieving. So the cam card does help in the order of adjustments to some degree. But keeping a balance is actually all you need to remember as to not cause alot of stress to one certain area at once.

With the intake off, or just watching your push rods go up and down, you can see where and when you will be able to make your adjustments. Since once the lifter has went over center of the cam, the valve is closing and once closed is when you adjust.  After you do this a few times, you will be a pro at it. Parts will have to break themselves in to a certain degree, so even after you get down to 18 thou, you may have to do a final adjustment after a few miles or minutes of run time.  Adjusting cold, you may want everything loose for start up like 26 or so then after warm and at temp, bring it to the 18 you want.  Also changing your vavle setting up or down will give more bottom or top end . Some tune tight to get more on top and some will run 32 thou just for bottom end et.

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Re: Setting valve lash on solid roller 440?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2009 - 03:44:57 PM »
Thanks Mopal!

The valve lash was initially set by the builder and I have since put 2500 miles on the car.  So, I know it's time to adjust.  I'll pull the plugs, but I want to get away with setting the lash without having to remove the intake valley, intake, and carb.  In regards to what you said about putting stress on the cam, I found a cam chart on Jegs (see attached pic).  It doesn't specify SB or BB, but I have a BB.  If I warm up the engine and then follow this chart (setting each to .018) do you think this would work as far as the proper order to adjust the valves?  Is this right for BB?

It says:
TDC on #1 firing - set #2 IN #8 EX
Rotate 90 degrees - set IN #1 EX #4
Rotate 90 degrees - set IN #8 EX #3
Rotate 90 degrees - set IN #4 EX #6
Rotate 90 degrees - set IN #3 EX #5
Rotate 90 degrees - set IN #6 EX #7
Rotate 90 degrees - set IN #5 EX #2
Rotate 90 degrees - set IN #7 EX #1

Oh ya, should I check the torque on the shaft bolts?  If so, what should I set the toque wrench too?

Thanks!
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Re: Setting valve lash on solid roller 440?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2009 - 05:44:04 PM »
The lash chart is good, but when you get up in the bigger cams, you should still watch the valve train move up and down to see it's closed all the way when doing your adjustments.  Warm it up pull the covers and check the setting for .018. But since the engine is running, you can just go down one bank, then over to the other bank. Faster and easier after the initial set has been done.  Just picture the cam lobes in your head as you watch the rockers move. All will come like natural after a few times

your chart is for both bb and sm blk    A couple of ole school tips is to load the rocker up some by prying on it to take out the oil cushin. Or set at a tight 18 or loose 17   yes check the shaft bolts. should be like 25 ft lbs. Not over 30, also make sure your lock down adjuster nuts are tight or they will back off.

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Re: Setting valve lash on solid roller 440?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2009 - 05:55:47 PM »
Thanks man!  What do you mean by going down one bank and then the next?
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Re: Setting valve lash on solid roller 440?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2009 - 06:00:22 PM »
It's already running, just do one side if you can figure it out. It is faster then jump over to the other side


Wish I could do it for you.

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Re: Setting valve lash on solid roller 440?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2009 - 06:08:22 PM »
I saw your other post about your health...  I can't believe you're so stubborn!  :nono:

Glad to hear that it doesn't appear to be major, but don't let the prospect of that affect your future decisions when it comes to your life.  Reminds me of my dad.  Fears hospitals and worked in 'em all his life.  I figure that's why.

Thanks for your help!  I've done valve adjustments on an LT1 and a 302 ford, never a mopar though, and never a solid roller.  I think I've got this covered now with your help.  I'll update the thread when I get it done.
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