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Offline leanburn

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how much vacuum
« on: July 19, 2009 - 09:59:43 PM »
i have 5'' of vacuum at idle, how much would i have at 3,000rpm on the brakes after stageing and waiting for for the lights? i'm going to hook a guage up and go for a test ride but maybe someone can save me the trouble.




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Re: how much vacuum
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2009 - 10:55:41 PM »
If I remember correctly, when you push the throttle, you do not create vacuum. Thats why you will need a vacuum canister ( to store vacuum at idle).
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Re: how much vacuum
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2009 - 11:11:40 PM »
as far as i know you loose vacuum under load, i'm just wondering how much and approximately how much load.

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Re: how much vacuum
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2009 - 01:11:07 AM »
5" of vacuum at idle is a problem. Idle vacuum should be around 15-16" hg, even a super radical cam should have more than that...


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Re: how much vacuum
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2009 - 11:41:45 AM »
You need about 10" minimum to run power brakes. 12 if you can get it. The can stores vacuum while your driving. If you have 5 I would lose the power brakes. They should feel hard as  a rock but not hold well at that level.

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Re: how much vacuum
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2009 - 11:50:25 AM »
i have a 340 with eddy heads, 10.4:1 comp, hughes solid cam in the 245ish duration, 3200 stall.

Even if the 245 duration is at .050, 5" of vacuum still seems very low to me. Maybe I just don't know enough about solid cams... :dunno:


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Re: how much vacuum
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2009 - 12:49:21 PM »
i have a buddy who has a 383 with 6'' at idle. were useing the small port at the front of the carb on the base. this is correct isn't it?
 i have manual brakes so no problem there, my buddy has power and yeah good for a couple small pumps then hardly anything at all. :scared:

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Re: how much vacuum
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2009 - 12:59:18 PM »
I am dealing with low vacuum too in my 318......about 5"hg at idle.....I either have a huge vacuum leak that is invisible to the usual tests, or my cam is radical enough to cause this....

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Re: how much vacuum
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2009 - 02:35:46 PM »
there are 2 types of Vacuum , ported & manifold
 Mainfold is below the throttle plates , it is highest when idling or when decelerating with the throttle closed , as the throttle is opened the vacuum reading will drop but it will create higher vacuum when the throttle is closed at higher RPM which is why the brakes will generally work the first time & maybe the second time .

Ported vacuun is above the throttle plates in the carb Venturi , this wirks opposite to the manifold vac, ported increases with air flow through the carb so it should be zero at idle & rises with RPM

Long duration cams & large plenum single plane intakes can cause very low vacuum readings at idle , this causes poor response from the carb & bad idle , , advancing the timing, reducing the air bleed size  , drilling holes in the throttle plates help to correct idle problems , , long duration cams love intial timing in the 16-22* range , drilling holes in the throttle plates just creases an air leak while aloowing the throttle plates to remain closed aloowing the idle transfer slots to remain covered to aid in pulling fuel in for the idle circuit , reducing the air bleed size also help to allow the low manifold vacuum to pull more fuel into the air stream .
 the other adjustment that needs to be made is to lower the powervalve / metering rod spring pressure to the point where the valve stays closed or the rods stay down in the idle position
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Re: how much vacuum
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2009 - 03:50:24 PM »
 :iagree: I have a 509 cam in my Charger and even with 17* initial timing I am only able to get 6" of vacuum at idle. I ended up installing a vacuum pump for my power disc brakes to work properly. Before I put the pump in place my brakes were hard to deal with. I might get one good press of the pedel and then a hard pedel without much stopping power. I parked it until I had good brakes again. 
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Re: how much vacuum
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2009 - 04:58:50 PM »
Hey Chryco, I may have asked this already but....ANy ideas as to where someone can find replacement throttle blades for Eddy carb,s (Edelbrock wont sell them due to liability) or what do you recommend as far as filling them in if it (drilling holes) doesnt work?


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Re: how much vacuum
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2009 - 05:52:07 PM »
no need to replace the throttle plates , you can epoxy them with JB weld or just squish some solder into the holes

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