440 rebuild advice.

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Offline T-Rob

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440 rebuild advice.
« on: October 14, 2009 - 03:04:07 PM »
Hello all.  I’m looking for some advice, help and opinions on building my 440.  I’m looking for a streetable and reliable engine to go in my 72 Challenger.  I have a 72 (or at least I believe it’s a 72) engine out of a Winnebago supposedly with only 13k miles on it and the 727 tranny from the same vehicle. 

I’m looking at going with a six pack set up and know Demon Carbs. Makes a new set up for the mopar 440, but they don’t provide the intake manifold.  So before I start randomly buying parts, maybe you all could answer some of these questions to get me started.

Here are the numbers I’ve found so far, although I haven’t torn into this motor any further than removing the rocker covers to get the head numbers.

The Block # = 3698830 440 5 
Heads # = 3462346. 
(I’ll of course be taking the motor to a reputable builder to have it completely gone through and assuming everything checks out I’ll proceed with machining etc…)
So……

1)  Has anyone used this set-up from Demon?  Problems?  Good?  Bad? Opinions?
2)  Assuming I’m set on using this six pack set up from Demon, any suggestions on a manifold to use?  The rep at Demon I spoke w/ said any stock or aftermarket manifold would work.  Should I look at stock or something like an Edelbrock unit?
3)  Again assuming I’m going w/ the six pack set up and an auto tranny, any suggestions on a cam?  One thing to possibly consider is I’m at altitude in Denver CO.
4)  What about these heads?  Are these worth having re-furbished or would I be better off (more bang for the buck) going again with a new pair of aluminum from Edelbrock?

Thanks for any and all feedback as this will be my first build and I’m SURE there are a million things that I haven’t even thought of yet.
T-Rob
72 Challenger




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Re: 440 rebuild advice.
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2009 - 03:23:35 PM »
I have had problems with Demon carbs in the past so I am not a fan of them
 the Factory intakes are cast iron in 70 -71 , the 69 intakes are the Edelbrock intakes from the factory & are virtually identical to the cast intakes
I would be using a Lunati Voodoo hyd or custom ground solid Lunati grind depending what you want from the engine
 Well my experience has shown approx 2 hp gain with Eddy heads over properly ported Iron heads , Alum transfer more heat into the cooling system & engine bay as well so my choice would be a good Iron head over the lame Eddy offerings but most others seem to like Eddy heads but probably are not getting as good results with the Iron castings , IMO the Cheaper Stealth heads are probably as good or better than the Eddy stuff

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Re: 440 rebuild advice.
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2009 - 05:59:55 PM »
Since you never really mentioned performance, just 'streetable and reliable' I would stick with the stock iron heads.


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Re: 440 rebuild advice.
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2009 - 12:43:54 PM »
Thanks for the replies guys.  By “streetable & reliable” I mean that I’m looking for good performance on pump gas, figuring compression in the neighborhood of 9:1 - 9:5ish.  Am I correct in thinking that I should expect to reach 400 hp or more with these heads, the six pack carb set up (Demon or Holley) and a cam along the lines of what Chryco suggested?   Any suggestion on pistons and rods? 
T-Rob
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Re: 440 rebuild advice.
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2009 - 01:32:29 PM »
I would use a Proform carb , best bang for the $$ & the best pricing is from Mancini racing
 9.5 range with Iron heads will be fine , you can push 10:1 with a quench closed chamber head
 we buit a 440/512 stroker with stock 915 iron heads properly ported  & made 398hp/460 Ft lbs tq on the ground on a Mustang dyno so rated as a 1970 engine we hit 640 hp / 720 ft lbs gross
400 Hp gross is easy
you may want to look at a 440 Source stroker kit for pistons & rods , $1800 will get you all new parts Balanced

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Re: 440 rebuild advice.
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2009 - 12:50:01 PM »
Excellent suggestions!  I’ll check out that web site you provided, make a few calls and decide which way I want to go.  Thanks again for the help and direction.
T-Rob
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