'71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?

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Plum6Pak

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Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2004 - 12:59:33 PM »
 ??? Hmmm, let me think about it a while...HEMI! Yup, that's like someone offering you a wad of 5 dollar bills or a wad of 100 dollar bills, which would anyone take?  ;D As I stated, I have found dozens of hemi 'Cuda's and Challengers, I have even had someone offer for me to tow them out of their yard and I could have them free!! The problem is, every dang time I get the car ready to go onto the trailer, I wake up!! What a bummer!  ;D




Offline Carlwalski

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Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2004 - 12:34:46 AM »


I'd definitely pick the HEMI if money and the rarity were not the problem.

Lets put it this way my garage:

My 440 Magnum Challenger.
A 1971 HEMI Cuda
A 440+6 1969-1/2 Super Bee  8)

There all good.


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Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2004 - 08:49:52 PM »
A 440 will eat a hemi alive for off idle torque. In the real world where it counts the 440 6bbl/pk was the real king. This was one of the best packages offered for the street. The 6bbl induction was so good that Tom Hoover and company had fitted a 6 bbl intake to a 1968 Coronet R/T hemi and used it as a test mule. They loved it. however the looming demise of the high performance car, and the hemi in particular being such a low volume engine made the cost of tooling and manufacturing the intake for production out of the question.
And check real road tests from the era. The hemi as delivered from the factory in street trim wasn't stellar. Al Kirschenbaum and company had to rework the magazines cars to get decent times out of them. While the 440 sixpack was turn key and drive.

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Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2004 - 10:54:51 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2004 - 07:38:38 AM »
A 440 will eat a hemi alive for off idle torque. In the real world where it counts the 440 6bbl/pk was the real king. This was one of the best packages offered for the street. The 6bbl induction was so good that Tom Hoover and company had fitted a 6 bbl intake to a 1968 Coronet R/T hemi and used it as a test mule. They loved it. however the looming demise of the high performance car, and the hemi in particular being such a low volume engine made the cost of tooling and manufacturing the intake for production out of the question.
And check real road tests from the era. The hemi as delivered from the factory in street trim wasn't stellar. Al Kirschenbaum and company had to rework the magazines cars to get decent times out of them. While the 440 sixpack was turn key and drive.
Whats your point? ;)  Chrysler #s as shown above show torque max value was the same, but the 440 came in at 3200 rpm vs 4000 for the Hemi.  I don't think anyone disputes that.  You live in the real world?  Who's running in Pure Stock there.  No one I know.  I'd speculate that most people that own Hemis today actually have a clue and may keep them in tune.  I figure my world is just as real.  Just as gobs-O-torque and stock gearing are strong, horsepower, rpm, and higher gearing are strong.  All you have to do to win is stack the deck.  Stock configuration - probably even odds as to who wins.  A little optimization - you still picking the 440?  Its got more cubes.  Its got torque.  3 carbs!  (I do love it my my outboards come on :)) It pulls hard!  That poor Hemi.  It doesn't have a chance. Its in my mirror.  I'm at 4000rpm, pulling like a Big Dawg, and I OWN him.  Uh-Huh, we bad!  5000rpm, what the... where is he?   its... its... Oh, thats what those taillights look like.   8)
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Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2004 - 08:02:04 AM »
 :) Hey Vert, good response and I know you were quoting someone else but, yup the hemi is a legend but pound for pound and dollar for dollar the 440 can beat the pants off of the hemi every time, sad but true. I know that sounds harsh but it's true and we could debate this all day and the outcome is still the same.  ;) If you have an unlimited bank account and want to build up a hemi I say go for it! That's what I would have too if I won the lotto but I am not that fortunate. As I have said before, I dream about owning a hemi anything, mostly a hemi Cuda but it's not in my budget right now, so I will just have to suffer with my little stroker and watch the hemis fly by me when they hit that magic torque curve.  ;D
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Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2004 - 09:35:59 AM »
There you go :o, bringing $$$ into it again. ???  Dollar for Dollar a 350 Chevy Nova will kick A$$.   :-X

-Sincere apologies to the original poster for dragging his thread offtopic.
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Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2004 - 07:38:39 PM »


But who would work a HEMI? No one would, to rare. Crate yes, but then there not THE HEMI we're talking about.  8)


In a lot of MoPar muscle car magazines it always has the 440's dealing it out to the HEMI's in the semi stock apperance readers shoot outs. The 440 brothers are always a good 1/2 second a head with pretty much the same "mods" nothing major.  A little tuning, headers/ehxaust etc  ;D


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Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2004 - 07:57:49 PM »
There you go :o, bringing $$$ into it again. ???  Dollar for Dollar a 350 Chevy Nova will kick A$$.   :-X

Some of us less fortunate car lovers have to consider the bang for the buck. I thought we were discussing the 440 and hemi,  ??? where did this chevy come into the picture? Anyone can own one of those!  ;D The bottom line, you have an affordable 440 that has the potential to be as good or better than the high dollar hemi, that is all that I am saying. I am going to let this one go for now, my appoligies to the thread starter as well, at least we are still on 440's   :-X

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Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2004 - 09:31:26 PM »
just to add to the fire they had 440 4bbl's

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Re: '71 E-body 440 4bbl, why not?
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2004 - 10:04:19 PM »
Hey guys,
  This is a great arguement/debate. Whether you have a 440 or a 426 Hemi, do you really care? I mean, isn't it just great enough to have one of Mopar's greatest engines? For what it's worth, I have a 440 and think it has great bang for the buck, but I'd love to have that Hemi too. Can't beat the look of those valve covers ;)

  Mike

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