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Offline JRoss22

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Slow Progress on my '72
« on: March 06, 2010 - 08:58:31 PM »
I am back after not posting on here in a long time. Some probably don't even remember who I am. But I just wanted to say that I am finally starting to go down the right path on getting my Challenger back onto the road. I have had it running before but it ended up developing a very bad valve knocking sound so I let it sit for a while and focused more of my time on my daily driver. Got the itch today and just started tearing into my motor and wow do those iron cast intake manifolds weight a ton.

Started out looking like this


Two hours and a helping hand later I had it looking like this






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Re: Slow Progress on my '72
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2010 - 09:24:59 PM »
So did you figure out what your valve noise was? :popcorn: :popcorn:
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda.  Matching numbers 440 U Code, 4 speed pistol grip, Rallye dash, AM 8 Track, Shaker hood, 15 inch rallye wheels, Dana 60 4.10, Super Track Pak.  One of 134 - 440 "U" coupes codes built in 1970 and one of 100 - 440 Super Track Paks built in 1970.

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"usraptr" = United States raptor - bird of prey = United States Bald Eagle.  FYI, somebody else thought of it first so I had to drop the "O" in raptor.

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Re: Slow Progress on my '72
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2010 - 09:27:43 PM »
No I have not figured it out yet. After I got everything off I cleaned up and high tailed it back into my house before I was eaten alive by these dang mosquitoes that are everywhere at my house  :eek4:. I am hoping to be pulling the heads within the week or so and seeing if I can get them to a shop to have them gone over.

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Re: Slow Progress on my '72
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2010 - 10:27:16 PM »
Valve train noise is typically a higher clatter type sound.   A deeper knocking sound is usually in the short block, typically crankshaft related.   Unless your totally convinced of where the noise came from you might seriously consider unbolting the front motor mounts from the Kframe, jacking up the short block and pulling the oil pan.
Watch for things that bind as you raise the engine such as may have to remove distributor, radiator fan shroud,etc.  You can lift the engine from above, or jack up on block of wood below oil pan.  Once engine is lifted enough stuff blocks of 2x4, 4x4 or such between the mounts and kframe and let the engine rest back on its mounts...shake engine around a little to verify its not going anywhere.
With the oil pan off, then rotate the crank so a pair of rod bearings is at the lowest point and the rod caps to inspect the rod bearings.  Check them one at a time, and put the CLEANED cap/bearing back on FACING the correct direction.  Do every rod cap.  Then do a couple of the main caps, though don't do #3 thrust or #5 rear oil seal.  Usually the main bearings are ok even if the rod bearings are worn out.  Detonation can wear out the rod bearings and all the engine needs is a new set of rod bearings to run for years more.
If theres a bad rod bearing but the cranks not damaged, just replace the rod bearings for all 8 rods.  Plastic gage the crank with the new bearings, its usually all right.  While the pan is off you could inspect the oil pump, though the original pump is usually in good condition.  You can put together an engine that will last another 40k-50,000 miles and not have much money in it.  The deep pocket people with $$$ may disagree with me but it can be done...I've done many a customer car this way.   IN the 1970's the dealership I worked at ran overhaul specials all the time...piston rings, rod bearings, a valve job, and gasket set.  We did hundreds of them and the customers on a budget loved it.
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Re: Slow Progress on my '72
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2010 - 10:46:15 PM »
Valve train noise is typically a higher clatter type sound.   A deeper knocking sound is usually in the short block, typically crankshaft related.   Unless your totally convinced of where the noise came from you might seriously consider unbolting the front motor mounts from the Kframe, jacking up the short block and pulling the oil pan.
Watch for things that bind as you raise the engine such as may have to remove distributor, radiator fan shroud,etc.  You can lift the engine from above, or jack up on block of wood below oil pan.  Once engine is lifted enough stuff blocks of 2x4, 4x4 or such between the mounts and kframe and let the engine rest back on its mounts...shake engine around a little to verify its not going anywhere.
With the oil pan off, then rotate the crank so a pair of rod bearings is at the lowest point and the rod caps to inspect the rod bearings.  Check them one at a time, and put the CLEANED cap/bearing back on FACING the correct direction.  Do every rod cap.  Then do a couple of the main caps, though don't do #3 thrust or #5 rear oil seal.  Usually the main bearings are ok even if the rod bearings are worn out.  Detonation can wear out the rod bearings and all the engine needs is a new set of rod bearings to run for years more.
If theres a bad rod bearing but the cranks not damaged, just replace the rod bearings for all 8 rods.  Plastic gage the crank with the new bearings, its usually all right.  While the pan is off you could inspect the oil pump, though the original pump is usually in good condition.  You can put together an engine that will last another 40k-50,000 miles and not have much money in it.  The deep pocket people with $$$ may disagree with me but it can be done...I've done many a customer car this way.   IN the 1970's the dealership I worked at ran overhaul specials all the time...piston rings, rod bearings, a valve job, and gasket set.  We did hundreds of them and the customers on a budget loved it.
Thanks for all that information :thumbsup: I will look into it when I get a chance. But I am kinda stuck for doing that how the car sits now since it is in my driveway at an incline and I cant move it anywhere else. I was also just planning to take out the whole motor in the first place to get it all cleaned up for the rebuild.

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Re: Slow Progress on my '72
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2010 - 09:26:49 PM »
I was also just planning to take out the whole motor in the first place to get it all cleaned up for the rebuild.
Thats good to take the engine out.  My coments on el-cheapo rebuilding is not the recommended method, I"d only do it if your in a real $$ pinch.  But it can be done and will work for awhile.
Phil

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Re: Slow Progress on my '72
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2010 - 09:55:53 PM »
Thats good to take the engine out.  My coments on el-cheapo rebuilding is not the recommended method, I"d only do it if your in a real $$ pinch.  But it can be done and will work for awhile.
Ya I am in no big rush to get it done since I have another car and don't have to worry about getting this back on the road asap. Just trying to price everything out right now so that I can plan ahead of time and budget things around what I want to do.

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Re: Slow Progress on my '72
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2010 - 11:03:45 PM »
Made some more progress yesterday with getting the whole engine pulled. Would have been easier if my friend and I realized earlier on that we forgot to remove a couple bolts that were holding on the plate blocking the stall converter from coming out :pullinghair: Now its time to start calling around and getting quotes to have it rebuilt.




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Re: Slow Progress on my '72
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2010 - 11:15:07 PM »
I mic-ed my bores and journals and everything was within specs of the service manual. There is a good vendor on Ebay that sells rebuild kits cheap. Std or oversized rings, bearings, and gasket set cost me $95. Plus a $25 oil pump from Oreilly's finished it off.  All name brand stuff.  Can't remeber the seller though, maybe you can search Ebay.  That will get it done cheap.
Rob

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Re: Slow Progress on my '72
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2010 - 11:18:28 PM »
I am having it fully rebuilt from a engine builder I found searching online. He quoted me at $1550 for a complete rebuild and he has a lot of experience with the 340 as it was the very first motor he ever built 30 years ago and is currently running a 340 in his Duster. I don't have the full details of everything that's going to be done yet though still need to work it all out.

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Re: Slow Progress on my '72
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2010 - 12:20:47 AM »
I am having it fully rebuilt from a engine builder I found searching online. He quoted me at $1550 for a complete rebuild and he has a lot of experience with the 340 as it was the very first motor he ever built 30 years ago and is currently running a 340 in his Duster. I don't have the full details of everything that's going to be done yet though still need to work it all out.

Check out the guy and get everything in writing. That price is cheap for having everything replaced, balanced, and assembled. Will he redo it for free if it starts knocking then blows up?
Rob

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Re: Slow Progress on my '72
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2010 - 12:23:32 AM »
Oh I definitely plan to get everything in writing. It will be awhile before the engine makes it to his shop waiting on the funds so it gives me sometime to check him out some more.