If you order off the Grant web site, they use Shopatron to fill the order. Placed an order last Monday and never heard any thing back other than order waiting assignment. Called customer service today and asked what's going on. All Grant orders are on indefinite backorder. I told rep. that it would have been nice to explain that after order was placed, said sorry. Told her to cancel. Summitt does not list Grant's #846 wheel anymore and Jeg's shows ship dates of 12-04-13.Summitt does have the Tuff wheel repos. Just FYI.