Aluminum power steering box? Possible?

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Offline Topcat

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Re: Aluminum power steering box? Possible?
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2013 - 11:09:32 PM »
I doubt it? Same as the Viper caliper brackets I made...... cost prohibitive due to machining time and material costs? But a one of might be a fun project if it's possible from a safety/engineering/durability point of view?


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Re: Aluminum power steering box? Possible?
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2013 - 09:37:04 AM »
Mill capability brad has. CNC would only be an advantage if going into a production run. For one off stuff, a manual mill works just fine.

As to why not, my guess would be time, temp, and pressure. OEM manufactures are concerned with service after the sale. If they have to warranty leaky steering boxes, it costs them money. If they catastrophically fail after the warranty period, they  could still have liability. Thermal expansion/contraction do to fluid temp variation would make it tough to hold the exacting tolerances required of the box (even alum engine parts use steel liners), and add to it that aluminum does not fatigue in the same manner as ferrous metals, and you have a part that would likely have a higher failure rate than a steel or iron power unit, or an aluminum manual unit.

I've never torn into a manual steering unit. how much steel is inside one?

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Re: Aluminum power steering box? Possible?
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2013 - 12:28:05 PM »
As to why not, my guess would be time, temp, and pressure. Thermal expansion/contraction do to fluid temp variation would make it tough to hold the exacting tolerances required of the box (even alum engine parts use steel liners), and add to it that aluminum does not fatigue in the same manner as ferrous metals, and you have a part that would likely have a higher failure rate than a steel or iron power unit, or an aluminum manual unit.

I've never torn into a manual steering unit. how much steel is inside one?

That's most likely why.....
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Re: Aluminum power steering box? Possible?
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2013 - 01:43:39 PM »

I would say the number one reason is cost, for materials and support.

Let alone you would have to ensure that certain parts of the casing were thick enough to handle the PSI pressures.

Sound overall idea if you can pull it off. Then again for the weight savings you have to figure out how much work for how much weight savings you will gain. Funny that I mention this as I just bought a wiper assembly from a guy who said "hot dang I just shaved 7lbs off my car!".

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Re: Aluminum power steering box? Possible?
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2013 - 08:39:59 PM »
http://www.jegs.com/p/AGR/AGR-Street-Power-Steering-Box/761792/10002/-1

???

maybe Mopars have their own unique laws of physics?  :)

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Re: Aluminum power steering box? Possible?
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2013 - 09:06:00 PM »
http://www.jegs.com/p/AGR/AGR-Street-Power-Steering-Box/761792/10002/-1

???

maybe Mopars have their own unique laws of physics?  :)


That's just the top plate and end cap that are aluminum, the main body is cast iron.
I've been talking to Dick Ross( Firm Feel) and he suggested....
"I’ll bet an aluminum box machined from a billet would be stronger than cast. I’m guessing you might want a steel sleeve for the piston bore."
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Re: Aluminum power steering box? Possible?
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2013 - 09:55:52 PM »
sure is.....I need to read better!

Billet can certainly be stronger than cast iron so other than sleeves in appropriate spaces, I don't see why not

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Re: Aluminum power steering box? Possible?
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2013 - 09:40:42 AM »
If you use a 7075 block, it will certainly be strong enough.  Given aluminum's thermal changes, I think the heat generated by the steering system would be enough to cause seal leakage and cause certain precision tolerances to be hard to maintain. Yes, steel sleeves in key areas could accomplish some of the precision fit up, much like steel sleeves in an aluminum engine block. Without them, you'll end up with a steering box reminiscent of a Vega engine.

When its all said, you'll save some weight for sure. Why didn't the factory do it, manufacturing cost and warranty cost. 7075 was space age stuff back in the 60s. It cost a fortune. Additionally, machining costs way more than casting and when you're making 5 million steering boxes, saving a single $ adds up fast. Plus, the warranty issues later could also cost big bucks should things not stand up to time and abuse.  The Bendix FI systems of the '50s seemed like a good idea at the time, but customer perception, service, and drivability became issues that would take nearly 40 years to overcome.