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Offline Jack440

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red hot exaust manifolds
« on: February 22, 2014 - 10:53:35 AM »
I am a new member here.  I have a '70 440HP that I have had for years while working on a Challenger project.  It is mounted on an engine run stand to work out all bugs before going in the car.  I don't know the history on the bottom end but the heads were rebuilt to stock, I went through 6 pack carbs I acquired separately, new 6 pack grind cam, with all emphasis on stock applications, and new electronic ignition set up.  I used an old radiator that I flushed out and there is no fan shroud.  I started the engine yesterday and ran it about 15 minutes at 1500 RPM.  Ambient temps were around 35 degrees.  The exhaust manifolds became glowing red at the exit points, paint on the right valve cover turned black at the closest point to manifold, water temp hit 240 degrees, and I used about 3/4 gallon of fuel.  I was having trouble with my timing light connection but am pretty sure it was around 5 degrees before TDC  What would cause the exhaust and water to become so hot?  Timing, poor coolant flow, extra fuel being burned in exhaust, too lean of fuel mixture?




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Re: red hot exaust manifolds
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2014 - 11:19:37 AM »
I'm going to guess timing.
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Re: red hot exaust manifolds
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2014 - 11:20:06 AM »
Yep, all of the above. With emphasis on lean mixture and timing.
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Re: red hot exaust manifolds
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2014 - 07:55:07 PM »
Thank you for the input.  I started it again today and have to advance the timing to get it started.  Then there is no way to reduce the idle other than backing off the timing.  I did a little test and put my hands over the end carbs and it ended up smothering the engine so I am wondering if it is pulling to much fuel through the end carbs.  My infared thermometer exceeded 500 degrees on the exhaust ports before the engine temp gauge even stated to show an increase.

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Re: red hot exaust manifolds
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2014 - 09:06:23 PM »
Timing.  You're running lean and going to stick a valve if you keep doing it. 
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Re: red hot exaust manifolds
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2014 - 10:43:48 PM »
get the timing up in the 12-16* range or advance it by ear at around 3000 rpm , you will hear the rpm rise then go flat & then start to pop you want the timing just near the peak of the rpm rise

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Re: red hot exaust manifolds
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2014 - 11:00:38 PM »
Thanks again for the advice and warning.  I will definitely take it.  It will be awhile before I try it again.  Had to drain the water out since freezing temps moving in again.  (out here in Montana)

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Re: red hot exaust manifolds
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2014 - 11:07:20 PM »
Agree with all above, but don't rule out a vacuum leak, causing a lean condition. If you cannot idle down without retarding timing, something else is wrong. Check for vacuum leaks and or misadjusted carbs or linkage.  :2cents:
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Re: red hot exaust manifolds
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2014 - 12:47:30 PM »
Running lean was on my mind as well.  I will check into those suggestions.  Thanks all for the help.

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Re: red hot exaust manifolds
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2014 - 12:37:41 PM »
while running at a steady speed you can adjust the mixture screws , if it is running lean turning the mixture screws out will add a bit of extra fuel & it should run better as you adjust out

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Re: red hot exaust manifolds
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2014 - 01:44:22 PM »

I remember a 440 startup where the headers glowed cherry red (yes the entire header) because he was running too much advance, not recommended but he turned off the motor backed it down and finished off the 20min run. Was pretty impressive.

I would say that trying to fire up a motor for the first time with a 6pack setup would be a bit painful as I would take a known good carb and intake to get the break-in done and then put the 6 pack on and tune but hey that's just me.

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Re: red hot exaust manifolds
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2014 - 02:53:28 PM »
Is it a new harmonic balancer? They have a tendency to slip on the rubber, causing your timing mark to be off.

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Re: red hot exaust manifolds
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2014 - 11:19:29 PM »
No, not a new harmonic balancer.  I checked piston position with timing mark and checked out TDC.  I have yet to work on it since draining water for cold weather.  I am leaning toward an vacuum leak and the timing as well.  I will be going over the whole thing with a careful eye before running it again.  I will post when problem solved.

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Re: red hot exaust manifolds
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2014 - 10:14:31 PM »
Best way to confirm tdc is with a piston stop.