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Re: Old Hemi, New Hemi, Stroker, or Up my 440
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2012 - 10:44:53 PM »
Hi,

I did call, but not sure I talked to one of the experts you mentioned.   I got more of a well... hmm..haa, and I already had that before I called...lol.  Based on all the others I have been reading, as best I could search, they say 245 duration will feel pretty small in a 505, so that is why I am a little confused.

Just checked my 8.5:1 440 motor with 915 heads and 60303 and get about 10" vacuum up here at 6000'

Anymore words of wisdom?  I was trying to order this evening...




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Re: Old Hemi, New Hemi, Stroker, or Up my 440
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2012 - 09:57:42 AM »
Ok well typically I use the Solid cam grinds not hyd & I use around 250@ .050 duration for those but the solid cam have less duration as they have to take up valve lash before moving the valve so the 305 cam is bigger than most of the solids I use , , a friend with a stroker is taking about going smaller as his car is too low RPM on the highway for the powerband , just reading the suggestions for the 305 cam it states it pulls hard past 6500 , I feel this cam is too large as you are wasting powerband above where you want to rev the engine too & losing midrange power where you will normally run this engine .

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Re: Old Hemi, New Hemi, Stroker, or Up my 440
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2012 - 11:06:09 PM »
Hi Guys, been tormenting myself still on the cam...

I have considered going hydraulic roller now...

Looking at Lunati 60312 and 60313 and some comp grinds to start...?

1.  What recommendations y'all got?

2.  What lifters, pushrods, and rockers should I get with it for the simplest and most reliable bolt in?

3.  BRAD... I think you got the 60312.  How do you like it now that it is installed, too big, too small... and do you have any dyno charts on it?

4.  CP, what brand, type, and grind is the one your friend has that he feels is too large if you have that info?

So far:
512 stroker kit  (505ci 440 block .030 over)
10.05:1 Compression
Edelbrock RPM Heads
Street driven mostly.  Might take it once to the track just to see...
70 Chall 4 spd  3:54 Gears

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Re: Old Hemi, New Hemi, Stroker, or Up my 440
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2012 - 12:20:41 PM »
It is a TF 57 / TF60 ground @ 110 cl with the larger lobe on the exhaust side
TF60 is 248 * duration @ .050 approx .568 lift
Tf57 is 255* @ .050 approx .578 lift

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Re: Old Hemi, New Hemi, Stroker, or Up my 440
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2012 - 04:20:17 PM »
 After much painstaking thought, careful consideration, etc....

I have finally decided on the Lunati 60312 for the cam, same as Brads70 in his 451.

.535/550  231/239 @ .020  and 282/290 adv.

I would have liked a little bigger intake lobe, but the next step was too big.  I almost got the Comp XE286HR which is a .544 236 286.

236 seemed like the best duration, and the comp looked like the very best grind on paper for me, but I trusted the marketing and CP on the Lunati VooDoo  :dunno: .  If they (Lunati) had a grind between the 60312 and 60313, such as the comp xe286hr, this would have taken a lot less time.

Once I put it together, I will decide if I need larger or not.  Too many factors on this decision, and if anything I think it will be a 'tad' small which is better than too big on a street car in my opinion.

Here is the final build:
512 kit 440 .030 over = 505ci
10:1 Compression
Edelbrock RPM 84cc Heads
Lunati Hyd Roller 60312
Comp Roller Rockers 1.5
Edelbrock RPM, or CH4b, or TorkerII, or Holley SD, or 6 pack intake
(trying to clear Challenger Hood with Air grabber/ 6 pack style air cleaner intake)
850 cfm DP Holley, or 6 pack


All the parts are here or on the way now  :popcorn:

Feel free to critique any of this build, as I can change some of this (particularly the cam) before the final install.

Any idears on final HP/TQ numbers with this set up?

Wish me luck   :cheers:

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Re: Old Hemi, New Hemi, Stroker, or Up my 440
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2012 - 09:11:20 PM »
looks good , The SD intake is probably going to be the ticket , I open up under the carb a lot & knife edge the walls between the port runners the port match at the head

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Re: Old Hemi, New Hemi, Stroker, or Up my 440
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2014 - 10:58:03 PM »
Ok, now that I got the stroker going..., I am considering a HEMI 572 or 528.

But................

The more I research, the more a pain in the ... it seems.

I would just like to find a reputable crate hemi or hemi builder in colorado to make it happen, or a complete list of right parts to get er done...

Blocks and crate engines are on backorder from Mopar, and they are VERY unhelpful as to when or if ever they will have them again.

You would think they would have them readily available at 17k each.  Havent heard much good about INDY either with respect to customer support...
Anybody can help?

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Re: Old Hemi, New Hemi, Stroker, or Up my 440
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2014 - 11:22:09 PM »
I would use a World block but not sure who to use for a builder Ray Barton ,  Arrington as some SS racers who they use

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Re: Old Hemi, New Hemi, Stroker, or Up my 440
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2014 - 03:26:37 PM »
I live at 9,360 feet in Colorado and have a 440 myself.  The key up here is

1. Fuel air mixture

2. As much air as you can intake and push thru the exhuast

I keep it "simple"   Get a set of headers, good flowing intake, heads and no smaller than a 2.5 inch exhaust system  I beleive you have all of that covered

Carb:  I gave up on it:  Any carb tuner will tell you when you get at about 7500', you loose about 30 % efficiency in a carb.  The only way to fight that is jet, re-jet and jet again till you get it right

I went with a abolt on FI system.  Im running a FAST, and there is no way that I can even begin to tell you how well it runs.  I go thru passes at 11,000 feet and blow past anyone going up the mountain as the FI keeps adjusting your air/fuel as you go.   I run 14;1 at cruise all day long, and have a 'saved setting of 12;1 that I can run with a touch of a button if wanted.   It also has three or four seperate range settings that you can instantly set, save, and use, anytime you want:  On the strip and want to run rich?, hit a button. Want to run a little lean, hit a button.  Want to adjust your WOT and idle fuel/air settings, hit a button:  It is that easy

Estes Park, no prob, Eisenhower Pass, a mole hill.  Get down in the "flats" at 5-6000', the fuel air automatically adjusts itself.  Perfect idle, instant throttle response.  I believe to get where you really want you need a FI system.  High altitude is a real ***** to tune in. And Im talking 8000 feet and higher:  With your current 440 combo, you will have a monster with a FI system  My Fast was a half day installation. ANY shade tree mechanic can install the FAST

No matter what engine you get, Hemi, Stroker, etc, you will have to get your carb tuning right to get power at high altitude   FI will solve that issue

They even have some FI systems now that dont even require fuel return lines (This would REALLY cut down on clutter and installation time).  (Atomic, some others) While I dont have experience with those systems, people are buying them

I have also run the Ebrock pro flow on another car, a 427 Vette, and it was the absolute best purchase, along with my FAST,  that I have ever bought

By the way, my FAST runs my shaker system perfectly  Most aftermarket FIs have a throttle body that is the same height as a 4500 series holley