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Offline Sleepychallenger

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vinyl top installation
« on: April 23, 2014 - 12:08:57 AM »
Does anyone have steps on installing the vinyl top? we received the top (thank you Dave) but the rear window isnt cut out and i am worried about my buddy over trimming. Where is it supposed to be trimmed to? :useless:




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Re: vinyl top installation
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2014 - 09:51:13 PM »
I trimmed mine so the vinyl folded over the opening and just touched the bottom of the channel (inside corner).
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Re: vinyl top installation
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2014 - 09:57:48 PM »
It has to be trimmed after it's glued down, so you run masking tape along the quarters and deck extension so that the top edge is even with the center of the stainless strip (right along the holes).  The vinyl is pushed into the window channels and the clips go on top of it.   It makes me nervous just talking about it--I'd let a shop do it.  I've done a bunch of headliners but I don't think I would tackle a vinyl top.  BTW, you're smart to be laying it out to get the creases out. 

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Re: vinyl top installation
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2014 - 10:07:17 PM »
Hmmm... I was just the opposite. I can't do a headliner to save my butt, and the vinyl top went on quite nicely.
But i also agree, don't trim the window area's until the top is all glued into place.
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Re: vinyl top installation
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2014 - 07:31:02 AM »
All I can say is its a job. Good luck if you do attempt it yourself. Two people helps a lot. I would have a professional install it. Doing this for a living...there are two things that make me loose my religion....headliners and vinyl tops!! :roflsmiley:
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Re: vinyl top installation
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2014 - 09:21:53 PM »
Did mine with help from a buddy--turned out just fine. Some tips. Lay the top in the sun (if possible) so the wrinkles and folds can relax. Buy the correct adhesive for vinyl tops (mine was green and translucent). Use good masking ALL OVER the car except for the top area. Make sure the roof is clean and blemish free. Turn the vinyl face down on a clean surface and mark the center line of the top from front to rear (use the seams for best reference). Mark the center line of the roof from front to rear. Use a cheap spray gun and load it with the adhesive. Lay the vinyl top on the roof of the car and verify the the roof and vinyl center lines match up. Fold the vinyl carefully in half (side to side or rear to front--your choice). Spray the adhesive on the roof and the vinyl. Let it tack for the manufacturers recommended time. Slowly and carefully fold the vinyl onto the roof pressing down on the contact areas to keep wrinkles and bubbles away. A gentle pull on the vinyl as you make contact is helpful just be very careful not to stretch the vinyl too much as this will make your seams uneven. Use your hands and/or a paint roller to make good contact. Make sure you get all the edges down tight along all the edges. Have a beer and inspect your work. Time for the other side/end. Fold the unglued vinyl back over the freshly glued vinyl. Make sure to mask off the new vinyl so over spray won't damage the fresh vinyl. Verify center line. Repeat procedure as above. Have another beer. This is your last beer for a while because we will now be dealing with sharp objects. Cut away all waste. Go slow and take a little at a time. Use a single edged razor blade, exacto knife, etc. Keep a little glue close by and an acid brush or equivalent so you can tack down loose edges. TRIM CAREFULLY and slowly. Remember the glue is a solvent based glue and you must let it tack off---too much glue and attaching the vinyl too soon can cause the vinyl to soften into an ugly mess. Now, sit down, finish the beer and say to yourself "This wasn't too tough, maybe I could make a few bucks on the side doing vinyl tops." Oh crap, nobody has vinyl tops anymore--maybe another reason you can't find a reputable shop willing to do the work. Good luck. 

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Re: vinyl top installation
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2014 - 10:05:35 PM »
thanks for the input and advise. I will definitly pass the tips on to my buddy. heres hoping he can get it done right. :grinyes:

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Re: vinyl top installation
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2014 - 06:52:02 PM »
I beleive doing mu headliner was WAY more difficult than installing my vynil top

 Tips:

1. You need 2 people:   4 would be better   I did it with 2, myself and my wife.  I had never done a roof before

MARK, MARK (Did I say, "MARK") with PERMANENT MARKER, the exact bottom line of where any stainless trim goes that finishes out the vynil top. Just a hair above that line is where you want the vynil to end. You dont want to end up too short, and you dont want to glue down to far.  Removing newly glued down top is somewhat a ***** and can ruin the paint if not careful.  You only have about a 1/4 to 1/2" to play with here

2. DONT use the spray can type adhesives.  It doesnt work that well in this case and causes a hell of a mess.  Instead use the any high quality contact cement that  brushes on from a can.  I got mine from Wally Mart, in the hardware / adhesive section

3. DONT trim down the vynil too much.  You would be surprised on how easy it is to trim too short

4. Surfaces must be perfectly clean: Any dirt or grit will show up big time as little bumps

5. Let the glue tack dry before attempting to place it on:  READ AND FOLLOW THE GLUES DIRECTIONS!

6. Dont heap on the glue:  Brush on just enough to create a light. "sheen". BUT every square inch you want to stick must be covered, on both the vynil and the top of the car.  Watch the excess and drips.  It gets VERY messy if you aren't careful and its easy to get it on the top of the vynil

7. Only glue somewhat small sections at a time and work and stick with those sections and put them in place before moving on to large sections.  In other words, get a "feel" of what you are handling

8. Start from the center line of the roof and work down the sides.   I only put glue on half of the roof and its vynil and worked from the center line down to the rain gutters

9. Take your time.  Its a little stressful, but easy if you let it be.  SLOWLY sort of roll the material down, while you smooth out any bubbles or such.  Smooth out left to right as you lay it down    The hardest area is around the rear window   Take a close look at the that area before you get there and figure out how you will lay it out.  It doesnt take a genuis

10. Pick a warm day to do it, but out of direct sun.  A warm or hot garage will do it

If you get tired, just stop after you have stuck the last glued section in place.  Pick it up again later. 

When you start again you can take a small 1 or 2 inch brush and reach back into the fold where you stopped and put the glue on the vynil and roof, and start again till you finish

Mine came out FLAWLESS.  Two years now and everything is still in place.  Frankly, believe it or not, it was easier than laying carpet and doing the headliner, and I have down both.  Im not kidding.  It was so easy.  Just take your time 

You can do this : I had the top on (minus the stainless  trim) and glued in place in under 30 minutes.  Local shops qouted me from $400-$600 to do the job! I have never done this job before and was surprised how easy it was

Heres another hint:  Take all of the vynil top trim and polish it (MARK like I said above before you remove it) :  You wont beleive how good everything will look when put back together.  I did it myself with about $30 worth of parts (bench grinder polisher wheel and rouge) from Harbor freight , and it took about an hour to do it all


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Re: vinyl top installation
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2014 - 07:57:23 PM »
for those of us that dont have a paint gun for the adhesive, what do you use?

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Re: vinyl top installation
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2014 - 08:43:15 PM »
I do not want to disagree with the use of contact cement to attach the vinyl but just be careful brushing on glue with a paint brush. It can be tricky to get the right amount on the surfaces without getting too much glue which can cause soft spots in the vinyl. If you don't have spray equipment then do a little research and find the best aerosol glue you can and use that to install the top. Good luck. :burnout:

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Re: vinyl top installation
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2014 - 08:59:38 AM »
Do a search for installing tops:  Ill look for what I found when I did mine today and link it.   It was done by a major car mag,