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Offline dutch

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Re: Lack of consistent brake pressure
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2014 - 11:06:27 AM »
I would look into the MC diametre. Sounds like it just isn`t pushing enough fluid through the system. 
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Offline Jesus H Chrysler

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Re: Lack of consistent brake pressure
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2014 - 11:38:23 AM »
If you look back to basic science, you know fluid is not compressible.  That's why they use it for brakes.  If you are getting a spongy pedal, either there is something getting compressed (air bubble) or something is expanding to take the pressure.

I know you said you used new lines, did you mean new rubber hoses to the calipers?  They do go bad over time and even if they don't have age cracks, they can break down internally and don't hold pressure anymore.  If you have access to a vernier caliper or something similar, measure the brake hose in a few different places.  Then have someone apply the brakes and see how much the hose expands.  If it expands noticibly or has a bubble under pressure, replace it.  The hose expanding under pressure reduces the effective pressure at the caliper. 

Another thing to research is whether your particular MC can be "over bled".  I'm not familiar with manual MC's in particular, but I do know certain configurations should be bench bled in a specific manner.  If you push the rod in too far, the O rings can become damaged or dislodged which can cause an internal leak so even though there is no air present, the fluid can push past the sealing ring and not generate enough pressure, or leak down over time. 
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Offline 4 speed fish

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Re: Lack of consistent brake pressure
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2014 - 12:29:15 PM »
The manual master cylinder should be the same as a  power brake  set up  when using disc brakes.If the rubber hoses to the caliper have not been replaced I would look into that.The hoses  can break down inside and you will never know it.I just went thru brakes issues with my friend's brakes.We changed the MC and front hoses and all it good.

Offline richinwaco

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Re: Lack of consistent brake pressure
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2014 - 02:28:38 PM »
The whole brake system is brand new, hoses included.  The car was a shell when I got it, no brakes or brake lines.  I have replaced the left front hose and caliper because I get excellent pressure when that hose is pinched.  And this is the 2nd m/c, from the same supplier who supplies these systems to a lot of classic Mopar customers, and am still getting exactly the same result as I got with the first m/c, caliper, and brake hose. 
I wonder if these calipers, which are application-specific and remanufactured, require more pressure than the m/c was built for?

Offline CudamanTom

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Re: Lack of consistent brake pressure
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2014 - 03:59:27 PM »
I wonder if these calipers, which are application-specific and remanufactured, require more pressure than the m/c was built for?
You could cap the brake hose where it screws into the caliper and find out. Maybe try it on both sides and see if there is a difference at the end of each hose.

But now I'm going to ask a dumb question. Are you sure your using the right ports from the MC for the right lines going to front and rear?
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Offline bc3j

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Lack of consistent brake pressure
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2014 - 04:25:45 PM »
Just a thought but you might have to start the bleeding process all over again. Assuming no leaks, new hoses, and a mc for a car with rear disc brakes (no residual valve in mc on rear line). I had good success with bench bleeding the mc on the car. I used an autozone bench bled kit but used epoxy to seal the holes making them a plug. Then I plugged the mc ports. I filled the mc half way and had a helper watch the mc while I slowly hand pushed the brake pedal. Took about two dozen cycles but the pedal became rock hard and there will be no air bubbles visible. Then I connect the lines to the mc and vacuum bled the lines lr,rr, rf, lf. That worked for me. I'm thinking you still got air in the mc. Make sure the pressure differential switch has not shifted that would shut off fluid to either the front or rear. Hope you get it going soon.
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Offline richinwaco

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Re: Lack of consistent brake pressure
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2014 - 06:00:17 PM »
Thanks guys, yes Tom I thought I might've made a mistake when first hooking up the lines between the m/c and pressure differential switch by putting them on backwards.  Confirmed I did it right early on with a diagram of the switch.  I'll try bleeding the m/c again.  And re capping the brake hoses, don't I get the same effect by pinching them?  If the pressure differential switch is not allowing the proper allocation of fluid to the left front caliper, is there a way to fix that or do I just have to get another one?

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Re: Lack of consistent brake pressure
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2014 - 06:04:39 PM »
And re capping the brake hoses, don't I get the same effect by pinching them? 

Oh crap, I remember you saying you pinched each line.  :banghead:

Well please keep us posted on this and good luck.
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