Mechanical advance springs

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Offline Topcat

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Mechanical advance springs
« on: June 11, 2014 - 08:26:49 PM »
If you buy/own a Mopar electronic distributor, should you try to find out what springs are used on them?
Which ones are preferred? Part numbers?
Any general rule of thumb?

I would like to find somebody with a distributor machine to evaluate my distributor and what recommendations it should have.

Any info on this would be great.
Mike, Fremont, CA.





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Re: Mechanical advance springs
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2014 - 10:03:12 PM »
I used a dial back timing light and a tach to plot my curve...using the later MP distributor, the advance was pretty jittery off idle and I went to my tool box and used a GM spring from the old days to make it more stable.  I forget exactly how I set it up but the advance is all in about 2500 rpm.

I believe MP sells a set of springs and shows the projected curves....seems like I have seen the graph online but that might be my imagination

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Re: Mechanical advance springs
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2014 - 10:12:21 PM »
Just to get to them seems like a chore.
they're buried under the plate.

Mike, Fremont, CA.


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Re: Mechanical advance springs
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2014 - 10:18:43 PM »
I played around with the springs, and yes it is a major pain on the older MP distributors.
When it was all said and done, I had it apart 4 times and really didn't see a significant difference.
Probably still needs more "tweaking", but I'm done for now.

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Re: Mechanical advance springs
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2014 - 11:14:45 PM »
I spent an afternoon trying to get 6 pack to idle , though it was a fuel problem at first , went through the carbs , it would idle around 500 turn the idle screw 1/8 of a turn & the idle would jump to 1100 , could not get it to idle between the 2 , finally tokk the dist apart & the advance springs were too light so as soon as you turn up the idle the rpm would jump with the advance , replaced the springs & it idled fine at any rpm drove me crazy !!

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Re: Mechanical advance springs
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2014 - 11:58:40 PM »
There's Carter Strip kits.

But never saw anything like that for the mechanical advance.
Mike, Fremont, CA.


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Re: Mechanical advance springs
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2014 - 06:27:36 AM »
Main problem is there is too much mechanical advance, you can weld the slots and grind.
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Re: Mechanical advance springs
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2014 - 07:44:33 AM »
I to bought that kit Katfish, yet to install it though.  :-[   I bought it in the hopes it would help/solve my overheating issue at idle
Brad
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Re: Mechanical advance springs
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2014 - 04:42:07 AM »
This Kit looks great ! Way cheaper than buying a "new " distributor....    and yes the MOPAR Distributors have too much mechanical advance....  due to the SMOG Laws  I think...
My  340 only has 2-3 deg advance @ idle....   not realy much..  10-12 deg would be better... but in this case...   welding..and grinding.... and so on...
MSD makes a good Distributor also....  Ready to run ..with a Blaster 2 Coil....you don´t need the Ballast resitor anymore  ( btw )

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Re: Mechanical advance springs
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2014 - 09:32:50 AM »
I used to remove the advance "plate" & put a spot weld in the inside of the slots to limit the curve on factory dist , the plate kit looks like a good fix

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Re: Mechanical advance springs
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2014 - 11:32:27 PM »
The M.P. springs never come with directions on how to use them. You can put two on one post( by stretching them together and letting them alternate coils), and leave the thick slotted factory spring, for leaving some give,  for upper RPM's to compensate for cam stretch.  Or one on each post if you weld up the slot to limit total. the problem here is bouncing and retard of 2 degrees at 6g.
I welded the full advance side of the slot to give 18-20 initial and 18* movement for a total of 38* and used the slotted factory for the total limit. The DC. manual eludes to this use of the slot for what I just wrote. The old HP euc/ dist. kit has the softest factory small and the slotted spring has the shortest slot of all that I have seen from dismantling many Mopar dist. I had some floating too at idle, so I added one weak one to the slotted springs pegs. If the advance is too quick the car may overheat, since your at the edge of detonation.  That plate product looks good to use instead of welding, since you can do it yourself. You can use a food scale to gauge the ounces it takes to pull the spring out, then you know what each different tiny spring is worth and figure what you want to do next. Tape a paper clip on the scale and use a ruler to gauge the stretch by hooking a tool such as the set from Harbor Freight. Those hook tools and a thin flat screw driver, are great for sneaking the spring on and off. But first remove the vac. canister to be able to work from the side and top. I can post pictures if someone is confused.
I'm now trying to tune one of those $50 billet copies.
I had to bend the limiter tabs to limit the total and add a weak spring to slow it down. (procomp has the caps and rotors for them if you want the old style cap for $5.)

Who sells the plate kit?
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