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Offline crash340

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18" wheels on a factroy front end
« on: March 30, 2015 - 10:35:56 PM »
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there seems to be a lot of guys with 18" wheels on the front of their cars (and rear), but most seem to have an aftermarket front end fitted, does anyone have 18's on a Cuda with factory suspension and if so, can we have a photo and wheel width and bs please
Greg

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Re: 18" wheels on a factroy front end
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2015 - 10:38:14 PM »
There's really nothing keeping you from running that size wheel on a "stock" front end besides proper fitment. Mine has 17s and 18s, link is in my signature to the wheel thread.
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Re: 18" wheels on a factroy front end
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2015 - 10:43:20 PM »
There is a really nice, all aluminum, wheel fitment tool available. I think a bunch of us need to get together and buy it. Then, we could ship it around to each other when we need it. It's $400. You can mount a tire on it and figure out the exact back spacing and width you can run.

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Re: 18" wheels on a factroy front end
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2015 - 02:15:03 AM »
The E-body's are really pretty easy for tire sizing. No reason at all you can't run 17's or 18's on factory suspension. I have a set of Hotchkis UCA's on my car, but everything else is pretty much stock. For the most part, all you need is a zero offset rim. If you're planning on going crazy big, a little more backspace will help, especially with 18's because you don't have to worry about rim to outer tie rod clearance.

I have 17x9's with 5" backspace (0 offset) on my Challenger with 275/40/17's. I needed to do a little adjusting on the passenger fender, but it clears now with a little negative camber on the front tires. But a 275 is darned big up front. I would run a little more backspace, but with the 17" rim I still have to worry about the outer tie rod. On my car I could get away with a 17x9" with about 5 1/8" backspace, but I don't think I would clear 5.25".

With an 18" the outer tie rod actually fits inside the diameter of the rim, so you can run as much backspace as you want as far as the tie rod is concerned. But, on my car I don't have much tire to frame clearance at full lock, so I would say that with a 9" rim 5.25" of backspace is probably about as much as you can run anyway.

For an 18x8" I would say you'd want between 4.5 and 5" of backspace, and that should clear any tire at or under 26" tall that you can fit on an 8" rim (shouldn't be bigger than 255 wide). For an 18x9" rim you'd want 5" to 5.25" of backspace. With a 275/35/18 you'd be tight on the fenders with 5" of backspace (0 offset), but anything narrower than that should be fine. More than 5.25" of backspace will probably cause some frame rubs at full lock, but keep in mind you can always add a small spacer if you go with too much backspace, nothing you can do for too little. Personally, if I was looking for another set of rims for my Challenger I'd be looking for either 18x9.5's with 5.5" backspace or 18x10's with about 5.7". But the wider rims like that may not clear the stock UCA's at full lock and full droop, I know the 9" wide rims do.

Also, final note, all of the backspacing numbers I list above are for stock 73+ disk brakes, either the stock 10.98's or the larger 11.75's. I run the 11.75 mopar disks. I say that because the drums have a narrower track width, and because aftermarket disks usually increase the track width. If you're going aftermarket disks you have to find out how much the change the track and adjust accordingly. And there's a decent amount of body tolerance with these cars, so the more you push the limits with larger tires the more likely you are to have to make some adjustments, not everything is always perfectly centered on these cars. Mine isn't, I had some minor rubs on the passenger fender and rolled the lip, but I never hit the driver's fender. Go figure.  :dunno:

I use this website, http://www.rimsntires.com/specspro.jsp to do wheel/tire combo comparisons. Once someone has a combo that fits, you can enter in what you're looking at and see how it measures up for clearance. So, you can enter my combo, which pretty much has no room to the fenders and just a little to the frame, and see how your combo stacks up.

Anyway, my '72 Challenger with 17x9's, 5" backspace and 275/40/17's. Wheel are the same size front and rear.




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Re: 18" wheels on a factroy front end
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2015 - 04:52:14 AM »
Guys, that's some great info and very detailed input, I very much appreciate it, I want to fill the front fenders as much as I can. As earlier stated, I don't want to roll any fender lips as the car is a matching numbers car so I will build it to my wishes but still be able to revert it back should someone want to one day. The other issue is that I'm on the other side of the world so I have to choose very carefully, I can't run down to the local wheel shop and test fit as we are predominantly jap cars here so all the wheels have plus 25mm offsets minimum, a real pain in the A.
Greg

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Re: 18" wheels on a factroy front end
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2015 - 12:27:08 PM »
If you don't want to do any trimming or rolling I would stick with a 255. The 275's might fit, but at that clearance level the body tolerances are a major consideration. On some cars they work, but most folks have to do some fiddling to get them to clear.

I would be looking for a 255/40/18 and an 18x9" rim with 5" to ~5.4" backspace. The 5.4" is different because I figured the 18x9's for a 275 above, with a 255 you have more space, and erring on the high side is better because a 3-5mm spacer is no big deal (although you probably won't need it). That should leave enough room to clear the large majority of these cars.

I did remove the fender braces on my car that run from inside of the wheel arch to the mounting surface. I was rubbing the tires on those, but it was almost all the way out on the edge. I'm not sure if the 'Cuda's have those. And my car sits pretty low. With a narrower tire it might not come up, same with a car that sits a little higher than mine. Wouldn't take much.

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Re: 18" wheels on a factroy front end
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2015 - 05:03:59 PM »
I would prefer 255's up front for sure, the Cuda does not have the fender lip bracing that the Chally. Right now my car is low, pretty much on the bump stops ( I have cut these to half height now for clearance) and I think the fender lip is 24" to ground. I can't fudge bs with spacers either as they are illegal in this nancy country I live in!
do you have a photo of you car from a quarter view by chance please
Greg

73 Cuda
Brisbane, Australia

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Re: 18" wheels on a factroy front end
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2015 - 05:22:21 PM »
Oh, I have factory discs , I may go to the larger diam mopar discs one day maybe. And even then, I might upgrade the calipers from there to multi piston, but that's a long ways off and low priority. I will stay with mopar discs though.
Greg

73 Cuda
Brisbane, Australia