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Offline Cuda4u

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Got some compression numbers on this.
« on: September 19, 2015 - 07:03:37 PM »
I bought this car and fid not get build sheet on engine I was promised.
70 cuda 440 six pack. Everything on this car built as a 1970 would be other than it is a clone.
Compression check done on every hole twice with snapon gauge.
#1 cyl-184psi  2-189 3-179 4-188 5-184
6-185 7-185 #8-190 psi
Engine cast# 38998830.440.5
Edlebrock manifold #3412048
 Anyone have an idea what cam this may be?
This engine considering a 512 build.




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Re: Got some compression numbers on this.
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2015 - 08:25:58 PM »
According to the shop manual, a stock cam grind for the 440 6 pack engine is :
Intake- 216 deg @ .050 and .450" lift
Exhaust- 226 deg @ .050 and .459" lift
Using stock 1.5:1 rocker arms.

1973 Challenger 440 6 pack auto 3.91 rear
2012 Dodge Ram 3500 dually 6.7 Cummins Fleece EFI Live
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1970 Challenger TA 340 4bbl auto-Sold and sad
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Re: Got some compression numbers on this.
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2015 - 08:38:09 PM »
Nice that engine seems to be very healthy !

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Re: Got some compression numbers on this.
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2015 - 08:44:57 PM »
Ok thankyou
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Re: Got some compression numbers on this.
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2015 - 12:46:21 AM »
sometimes Edelbrock may sell intake/cam combos. See what cam may normally
be sold with that intake?
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Re: Got some compression numbers on this.
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2015 - 08:41:00 PM »
 :iagree: nice engine! What cylinder heads are you running? Iron 906's or other? Just wondering.
1973 Challenger 440 6 pack auto 3.91 rear
2012 Dodge Ram 3500 dually 6.7 Cummins Fleece EFI Live
1973 Challenger 318 2bbl auto 2.73 rear 22.5 mpg RIP
1970 Challenger TA 340 4bbl auto-Sold and sad
1999 Dodge Ram 3500 dually 5.9 Cummins Fleece tuned VGT-sold
1995 Kawasaki ZX1100E & still alive

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Re: Got some compression numbers on this.
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2015 - 08:52:43 PM »
I'd leave that alone if it was mine.

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Re: Got some compression numbers on this.
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2015 - 09:54:34 PM »
I don't know what heads are on this but I'd would say this engine would be the way you would have bought it in 1970 minus the electronic orange ignition module. The front and rear carbs don't even have metering plates which I plan to get into this winter at minimum. (Only issue is over fuels during any hard acceleration)
I was unable to get info if anything was done on engine when purchased last year.
  Was reading up on everything TTI headers to aluminum heads, higher compression, cam upgrade, FB fuel injected throttle bodies etc.
  I considered a 512 upgrade  but this engine seems tight.
    For me I drive approx 1.5 tanks of fuel this year. Miss that sound I had 25 years ago with a well worked 340 1970 cuda.
   A lot of good info on this forum and I'm listening. Thankyou

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Re: Got some compression numbers on this.
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2015 - 12:00:54 AM »
I don't know what heads are on this but I'd would say this engine would be the way you would have bought it in 1970 minus the electronic orange ignition module. The front and rear carbs don't even have metering plates which I plan to get into this winter at minimum. (Only issue is over fuels during any hard acceleration)
I was unable to get info if anything was done on engine when purchased last year.
  Was reading up on everything TTI headers to aluminum heads, higher compression, cam upgrade, FB fuel injected throttle bodies etc.
  I considered a 512 upgrade  but this engine seems tight.
    For me I drive approx 1.5 tanks of fuel this year. Miss that sound I had 25 years ago with a well worked 340 1970 cuda.
   A lot of good info on this forum and I'm listening. Thankyou

Well my guess is 906 heads, which is stock ok. Def get jet plates for the outboard carbs so you can tune them. You might want to get a center carb metering plate as well (Promax or quickfuel). Greatly improves drivability. I would recommend a Lunati Voodoo cam and if they show up, Trickflow Powerport 240 heads. This comb should make plenty of hp.
1973 Challenger 440 6 pack auto 3.91 rear
2012 Dodge Ram 3500 dually 6.7 Cummins Fleece EFI Live
1973 Challenger 318 2bbl auto 2.73 rear 22.5 mpg RIP
1970 Challenger TA 340 4bbl auto-Sold and sad
1999 Dodge Ram 3500 dually 5.9 Cummins Fleece tuned VGT-sold
1995 Kawasaki ZX1100E & still alive

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Re: Got some compression numbers on this.
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2015 - 09:39:27 PM »
Thanks for the information. Really appreciate it

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Re: Got some compression numbers on this.
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2015 - 08:58:27 PM »
Good luck with your engine build!
1973 Challenger 440 6 pack auto 3.91 rear
2012 Dodge Ram 3500 dually 6.7 Cummins Fleece EFI Live
1973 Challenger 318 2bbl auto 2.73 rear 22.5 mpg RIP
1970 Challenger TA 340 4bbl auto-Sold and sad
1999 Dodge Ram 3500 dually 5.9 Cummins Fleece tuned VGT-sold
1995 Kawasaki ZX1100E & still alive

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Re: Got some compression numbers on this.
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2015 - 04:52:10 PM »
I don't know what heads are on this but I'd would say this engine would be the way you would have bought it in 1970 minus the electronic orange ignition module. The front and rear carbs don't even have metering plates which I plan to get into this winter at minimum. (Only issue is over fuels during any hard acceleration)
I was unable to get info if anything was done on engine when purchased last year.
  Was reading up on everything TTI headers to aluminum heads, higher compression, cam upgrade, FB fuel injected throttle bodies etc.
  I considered a 512 upgrade  but this engine seems tight.
    For me I drive approx 1.5 tanks of fuel this year. Miss that sound I had 25 years ago with a well worked 340 1970 cuda.
   A lot of good info on this forum and I'm listening. Thankyou

The 440 is doing fine, but it's not going to have the sound or feel of a warmed over anything. The 512 will be even more mild unless you basically only reuse the block. So I guess my questions revolve around how much do you plan to drive it, and what sort of driving do you do? Hpow much does it cruise, how much does it get driven hard on the street, and how often would you race it?