6packCuda , that is exactly what it feels like the forward clutch dragging, I will drop the pan & have a look, sure hope I don't need to take it apart, my transmission knowledge is very limited, while I have the pan down I'll check the items 734406pk suggests, I have no forward drive action while in neutral but there is some growling noise in reverse that don't sound good, goes though the forward gears fine with no noise. thanks for the help