Author Topic: New Gas Gauge Question  (Read 2140 times)

Offline Travis Blake

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 99
New Gas Gauge Question
« on: July 29, 2016 - 01:41:02 PM »
I installed a new gas gauge from Classic Industries which goes from empty to full when the key goes on and there is only a half tank of gas.  The sender is new and grounded when we put in the new tank. Is there a way to calibrate it ? Thanks!
1974 Dodge Challenger  - 440 Six Pack
2015 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited - Willy's Edition




Offline 73_Cuda_4_Me

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 423
Re: New Gas Gauge Question
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2016 - 04:32:36 PM »
Is the new gauge an OEM in-dash unit or newer style? Where did tank/sending unit come from? The gauge is usually matched to the ohms resistance on the sending unit from full to empty... I think your sending unit has too low ohms total causing full scale fuel reading (or float/arm messed up?)...

OR you may not be using 5 volt supply for gauge...

I don't think you can run off 12 volts... did you rewire the gauge?

Seems like the sender should be 10 to 73 ohms (full to empty, respectively), from what I remember... newer units may run 10 to 90 ohms...
1973 Plymouth Cuda BS23H3B567783

R11 V6X EN2
M21 M25 M31 M88 N41 N42
V1X U B41 C56 G37 J54
JY9 A6X9 0 703 501616
E55 D34 BS23 H3B 567783

Offline Travis Blake

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 99
Re: New Gas Gauge Question
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2016 - 08:41:57 PM »
Is the new gauge an OEM in-dash unit or newer style? Where did tank/sending unit come from? The gauge is usually matched to the ohms resistance on the sending unit from full to empty... I think your sending unit has too low ohms total causing full scale fuel reading (or float/arm messed up?)...

OR you may not be using 5 volt supply for gauge...

I don't think you can run off 12 volts... did you rewire the gauge?

Seems like the sender should be 10 to 73 ohms (full to empty, respectively), from what I remember... newer units may run 10 to 90 ohms...

The gauge is a reproduction from Classic Industries and it is an in dash unit and the power comes from the voltage limiter on the back side of the gauge panel. The sender  came from Laysons I think the name was.

How do you check the ohm resistance ?
1974 Dodge Challenger  - 440 Six Pack
2015 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited - Willy's Edition

Offline 73_Cuda_4_Me

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 423
Re: New Gas Gauge Question
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2016 - 10:40:26 PM »
Do you have a volt/ohm meter? Some auto stores might let you borrow one, or can get one pretty reasonable for testing (Meijer and Walmart have some around 20 bucks)

You measure the ohms from the tank sender signal wire terminal to tank ground... if that is good, then measure from gauge connection to ground...

If wire is shorted to ground anywhere from gauge to tank, gas meter will peg at full (voltmeter reads 0 ohms = no resistance/shorted to ground)... pinched wire, broken insulation, bare wire spot in trunk, etc...
1973 Plymouth Cuda BS23H3B567783

R11 V6X EN2
M21 M25 M31 M88 N41 N42
V1X U B41 C56 G37 J54
JY9 A6X9 0 703 501616
E55 D34 BS23 H3B 567783

Offline Topcat

  • C-C.com Expert
  • ********
  • Posts: 15376
  • Member since 9/16/04
Re: New Gas Gauge Question
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2016 - 12:30:22 AM »
9-10 gallons should show at half full on the guage.

Bending the float wire may be necessary to get the float calibrated so it reads where you need it to be at.

I used my old one and compared to the new one. Made some slight adjustments,

Mike, Fremont, CA.


Offline Travis Blake

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 99
Re: New Gas Gauge Question
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2016 - 01:29:59 PM »
Is the new gauge an OEM in-dash unit or newer style? Where did tank/sending unit come from? The gauge is usually matched to the ohms resistance on the sending unit from full to empty... I think your sending unit has too low ohms total causing full scale fuel reading (or float/arm messed up?)...

OR you may not be using 5 volt supply for gauge...

I don't think you can run off 12 volts... did you rewire the gauge?

Seems like the sender should be 10 to 73 ohms (full to empty, respectively), from what I remember... newer units may run 10 to 90 ohms...

   Checked the sender unit and got  79.6 and the "old" gauge was 12.4 ....  I haven't gotten into the dash yet to check power and the new gauge
1974 Dodge Challenger  - 440 Six Pack
2015 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited - Willy's Edition

Offline Travis Blake

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 99
Re: New Gas Gauge Question
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2016 - 09:18:00 PM »
We removed the sender from the tank, disconnected and reconnected the wires, regrounded it, moved the float up and down, and it still spikes to full.

Has anyone else used the repo gauge from Classic Industries?

1974 Dodge Challenger  - 440 Six Pack
2015 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited - Willy's Edition

Offline 73_Cuda_4_Me

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 423
Re: New Gas Gauge Question
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2016 - 08:45:45 AM »
When you disconnect the wire from the sender, does the gauge still peg???

When disconnected at tank, there should be NO fuel reading - stuck at E completely and no movement.

If you still peg with wire disconnected at sending unit, then you have a short in the wire somewhere...
1973 Plymouth Cuda BS23H3B567783

R11 V6X EN2
M21 M25 M31 M88 N41 N42
V1X U B41 C56 G37 J54
JY9 A6X9 0 703 501616
E55 D34 BS23 H3B 567783

Offline dodj

  • Sr. Resident
  • ******
  • Posts: 6197
Re: New Gas Gauge Question
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2016 - 07:55:33 PM »
To prove out my gauge when i didn't know if i had a gauge problem or a sender problem was to use a potentiometer.  I disconnected the sender and put a 0 to 100 ohm potentiometer in its place.  Set the pot to 10 ohms and look at the gauge.  Then set it to 40 ohms (should read half). Then set to 70. If your gauge went full sweep.  You have a sender problem.  If it read incorrectly, say, full all the time, you have a gauge or wiring problem.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2016 - 08:22:42 AM by dodj »
Scott
1973 Challenger  440 4 spd 
2007.5 3500 6.7 Cummins Diesel, Anarchy tuned.
Good friends don't let friends do stupid things. ........alone.