POR- 15 opinions

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Offline Tropicalcats

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POR- 15 opinions
« on: July 02, 2005 - 09:30:56 PM »
Just looking for anybody who has used the POR15 products.

I would like to use it to seal my floors and trunk  before painting. I also have a hole in the trunk about the size of a quarter that needs to be filled any ideas on that woud be appreciated.

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Re: POR- 15 opinions
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2005 - 09:59:50 PM »
That makes 2 of us!! I am thinking of using it on my 71. The roof is rusted pretty bad and I have heard it is a pretty good product to use after I sand all the rust off to fix the rusty stuff!! :grinyes:

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Re: POR- 15 opinions
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2005 - 11:36:42 AM »
I just got done using it on the underside and wheel wells of my 74 chall. 2 coats of silver followed by 2 coats of black. All sprayed on, and it looks great. I'll take and post pics of it after the holiday when the shop reopens. It took one quart of each color. Used 2 colors so I could tell where it was spayed before. The black is so shinny, that it is hard to see where you have already been.

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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2005 - 12:00:38 PM »
I use POR15 all the time.  It is a great product.  They have a putty called por patch that will fill small pin holes, but your hole is a little too big for that.
The way I use POR 15 is as a sealer over bare metal on inside and undercarriage areas.  I paint over the POR 15 with a top coat of urethane paint. 

In the attached picture,  I have coated the front half of a challenger with POR 15 then painted a single stage Urethane Black over the semi tacky POR 15.  Then when all the urethane paint was dry I used a spray ruberized undercoating over it.  This car will be driven and is not going to be a trailer cream puff. 
As an alternate, if you want the underside to look like the exterior paint, You should.  Spray a sealer from the paint company that makes your paint,  then Base your cars color and clear it.

POR15 takes any top coat when it is still tacky.  If it Dries, you have to sand or scuff it with 320 or finer or a Red scuff pad.

Any specific questions about the product you have Id be happy to answer.

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Re: POR- 15 opinions
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2005 - 05:31:27 PM »
Don't get it on your hands.  :eekbig:
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2005 - 05:46:15 PM »
I liked it too, but follow the directions EXACTLY, I strayed a few times(couldn't get all the work done in the time allotted) & it's a pregnant dog to remove & redo!  :banghead:
undercarrige in black & outer well areas 1 coat clear & one coat black. used their tie coat primer(actually an inexpensive urathane one part primer) & then painted my color!

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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2005 - 05:47:14 AM »
For that situation, I would cut and weld. Anything else will come back....even POR-15. Too much damage there to just cover up. What you see in the way of holes is just the tip of the iceberg. If you sand blast the area, you see a lot more holes. I had the same situation and thought the pan was salvagable....but too many pin holes.

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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2005 - 01:28:17 PM »
Thanks for posting the pics everyone!  I am thinking about using POR-15 or the eastwoods Rust Encapsulator product.  The pic below is of my roof.  Any tips? What should I do to it?  Should I use rust disolver, or just do a little sanding and coat it with POR of Rust Encapsulator?  I don't want to do anything to it that will screw it up to bad, but I will probably put the vinyl top back on so I might be able to hide some mess-ups. 



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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2005 - 01:59:58 PM »
As posted by steve, I forgot to say fix the metal first. thanks for jumpin in!
 The roof doesn't look that bad, if there are no holes just get it cleaned up throughly & you could use either, probably even a good epoxy primer to seal the metal,  & as steve said, if there is any rust through, cut it out & patch. Good Luck, Rich.

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Re: POR- 15 opinions
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2005 - 12:14:56 PM »
You need to decide if you will put vinyl top back on or not.

Por15 is not for use on cosmetic surfaces, used mostly for frames wheel wells, or under the car. If you keep the vinyl top, you could use it on the roof then. Use the Meal Ready stuff before the por15, this will remove some of the rust

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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2005 - 12:25:58 PM »
I luv the product. I've done the underside of the shaker hood, the entire floor and trunk. It'll never be a cream puff on a trailer.. so I could care less what the "purists" feel about it. Next stop is the under carriage, which will take some work.

For those who sprayed it on.. what's the mixture, pressure, technique etc..
What would you suggest for the lamen to get the grease off the undercarriage.  I do no have a rotissorie only jack stands and the rest of the car is together. I'd just like to do the best rust-proofing I can from the floor w/ the rest of the car together etc..

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Re: POR- 15 opinions
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2005 - 01:46:06 PM »
I luv the product. I've done the underside of the shaker hood, the entire floor and trunk. It'll never be a cream puff on a trailer.. so I could care less what the "purists" feel about it. Next stop is the under carriage, which will take some work.

For those who sprayed it on.. what's the mixture, pressure, technique etc..
What would you suggest for the lamen to get the grease off the undercarriage.  I do no have a rotissorie only jack stands and the rest of the car is together. I'd just like to do the best rust-proofing I can from the floor w/ the rest of the car together etc..

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Good question Fish.
 Whats the best way to remove the grease and road stuff from the undercarriage with most of the car intact? I will also only be able to use jack stands
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Re: POR- 15 opinions
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2005 - 11:29:07 PM »
I have done the undersides of cars several ways rotissorie, jack stands, fork lift, ceiling hoist.

 What you are doing, you should get 2 or 3 pair of 3 or 4 TON heavy duty jack stands that have some height to them.  Jack the car up and support it well.  If your going real high, do a little at the front then at the back.

  Go buy some (2 or 3)cheap garage florescent lights and bulbs (with the shatter tubes).  Lay them under the car.

  Now get on your creeper and get under there with a Cup wire brush and a cheap electric grinder.  Have at it.  You will need some smaller wire brushes that look like tooth brushes for the small areas.  a good solid scraper (not the razor blade style) works well too.

After you get the loose stuff off, use LOTS of old rags and plenty of Paint Wax and Grease remover.  Buy the good stuff and not the cheaper generic,  The name brand stuff is stronger.  Go over the under side of the car several times, with several new rags, until your rag stays clean.  You will use a LOT of rags.  Go cut up the old tee shirts.  POR 15 says not to use solvent based cleaners, they want you to use their water based cleaner.  I did it their way, and not their way.  As long as the solvents are removed and it is dry, there is no problems using a solvent.  Water based cleaner will not get your under side as clean as a GOOD solvent based wax and grease remover.  Just back wipe with a dry clean rag on your final clean up.  Let the work air dry overnight before applying the POR 15.

I would suggest using a brush on the under side when applying the POR 15.  I have sprayed it. POR 15 is thick.  They say you can reduce it with their reducer.  I dont,  I like the coverage and thickness.  POR 15 will not spray through a gun with less than a 1.7 tip.  Dig out the old JGA primer gun and crank it to 45 PSI.  It sprays like a HIGH build primer.  Again, due to the overspray and doing it upside down I suggest using a brush,  it flows out nice and looks good with a brush.

Remember that any hardware, nuts bolts ect that get POR 15 on will be cemented together.  It is NEXT to impossiable to remove it when dry.  Tape up the threads, bolts, cables, and anything else.

Hope that helps

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Re: POR- 15 opinions
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2005 - 01:13:25 PM »
I too am a fan of POR-15. It covers EXTREMELYwell. I have sprayed, brushed, and poured it and have had good finished results. Their gloss-finish products look pretty good when the surface is properly prepped. However, it is expensive and will cure with very little exposure to air. Therefore if you have left over material you want to keep, find a container that leaves minimal airspace at the top.

FYI - there are varying opinions regarding POR15 specifically regarding its rust containment capabilities. If you are undertaking a big job (and it sounds like you are) you should read what others have to say about the product. Do a search on Moparts and you will find some very detailed accounts of folks experiences with this product, both good and bad.

 
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