vin # BH23NOB104590 History or options?

[ncodecudaguy]

Thanks everyone for helping me....no build sheet for this car. The car came from southern Texas. 383 with 727 trans.
Does carfax help with history on these old cars ? I have read here you can't obtain factory build sheets for 1968 and up cars...so I'm stuck.

thanks again

[Super Blue 72]

It's sorta like mystery meat when you don't have a build sheet/fender tag.  Only Pontiacs through Pontiac Historic Services (PHS) can give you a factory print out of how your car was optioned at birth.

Can you contact any of the previous owners?  I found the original owner of my car and got good info from him.  You might be able to go to the registry of motor vehicles of the state(s) the car was in and track down who the car was registered to and get some history that way.  Never know what documentation the previous owners held onto.

What is your VIN#?  It'll tell you if the car originally had a 383.  Also you could check to see if it's #s matching.  Do you have an "N" in your VIN as the 5th digit?

You could also go through the list of options and see if your car has it or not.  These options may have been added/deleted from your car in the past 35 years.  For example, in another post someone mentioned you have a console but it could have been added later in the life of the car.

See this very nice page by RusTy/SE:  http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=13512.0

Hope you get some info! 

[hemi71]

What you have is a base barracuda with a 383 4bbl. The largest engine you could get in the base barracuda. It would have had dual exhaust with more than likley the turndown tips, unless whoever ordered it got the optional bright exhaust tips (then it would have the thru-the-pan exhaust)  California cudas came with turndowns due to noise laws, although i've seen some with the thru the pan exhaust. Standard gage package is on your car, and that looks like an earlier B body console shifter. Is there any evidence of a column shift on your car?

Without a build sheet or fender tag, pretty hard to tell what was original from here. Need to look at the car itself, it's usually obvious when someone adds options, unless it was done very well and following factory procedures.

Looks like a good starting point...I'd lose the "wheelbarrow handle" exhaust and go to either turndowns or swap in a repo rear pan and get the bright tip exhaust.

[FY1 RT SE]

California cudas came with turndowns due to noise laws,

Not true.  Only 440-6 and 426 were unavailable with tips.

[hemi71]

Not true.  Only 440-6 and 426 were unavailable with tips.

Maybe, maybe, but i had a 383 70 Cuda with the turndowns, calif emissions package. Cudas were standard with the thru-the pan tips, so?   Also remember a 440-6 auto 70 Cuda with the thru the pan tips and calif emissions pckg.

Also owned a 70 440-4 Coronet R/T ragtop, same deal, calif emissions and turndowns.

Go figure....I learned a LONG time ago to never say something is an absolute when it comes to musclecar Mopars.

[R/T]

VIN BH23N0B104590 decodes as follows:
Description Interpretation Code
Model: Plymouth Barracuda                  B
Price Class: High                                H
Body Type: 2 door hardtop                  23
Engine: 383ci V8 4bbl HP (B motor)       N
Year: 1970                                       0
Assembly Plant: Hamtramck, MI            B
Sequence Number: 104590                  104590
 104590 = 4590th car built

[Alaskan_TA]

"Sequence Number: 104590                 
 104590 = 4590th car built"

This is not quite accurate, the cars were not built sequentially on the assembly lines. Broadcast sheet sequence numbers have more to do with cars built one right after the other, and sequential broadcast sheet numbers are sometimes for cars 3000 or more VIN numbers apart. Patterns are appearing, cars that were actually built one after the other usually have at least two things in common like color & vinyl top, interior color and four speed, N95 car with vinyl tops, and so on.

They also built models in groups together, Barracudas one day, Valiants and Dusters the next, on to Challengers, back to Barracudas and so on. A Valiant VIN ending in 444444 may be built weeks before or after a Challenger ending in 444445 as an example.

T/Ake care,
Barry

[FY1 RT SE]

Maybe, maybe, but i had a 383 70 Cuda with the turndowns, calif emissions package. Cudas were standard with the thru-the pan tips, so?   Also remember a 440-6 auto 70 Cuda with the thru the pan tips and calif emissions pckg.

Also owned a 70 440-4 Coronet R/T ragtop, same deal, calif emissions and turndowns.

Go figure....I learned a LONG time ago to never say something is an absolute when it comes to musclecar Mopars.

I wish I had a nickle for everytime I've heard the "never, say never" line,  Yes, the factory made mistakes, however when the factory violates state or federal laws it becomes a totally different story.  Do you actually believe that the factory would risk tens of thousands of dollars in fines and the selling dealer losing its license to sell cars along with a fine because of a "mistake"? it didn't happen. 

Yes, your Coronet would have come with turn downs as the B body had turn downs with a 383 or 440 engine in 1970.

[chevyconvert]

Maybe, maybe, but i had a 383 70 Cuda with the turndowns, calif emissions package. Cudas were standard with the thru-the pan tips, so?   Also remember a 440-6 auto 70 Cuda with the thru the pan tips and calif emissions pckg.

HMMMM....so Ca. 440 six-pack Challengers weren't available with the tips? Is this correct?

 

[hemi71]

I wish I had a nickle for everytime I've heard the "never, say never" line,  Yes, the factory made mistakes, however when the factory violates state or federal laws it becomes a totally different story.  Do you actually believe that the factory would risk tens of thousands of dollars in fines and the selling dealer losing its license to sell cars along with a fine because of a "mistake"? it didn't happen. 

Yes, your Coronet would have come with turn downs as the B body had turn downs with a 383 or 440 engine in 1970.

Do you think they could catch every mistake they made?  LOL  I've seen the cars I'm talking about, they are not some figment of my imagination. I've owned a lot of these cars, and I've seen and looked over a lot of Mopars for quite a few years. (owned my first Cuda in 1976). There are not supposed to be any 6 pac 72 B body airgrabber cars either (as 6 pacs were not emissions certified), but they exist.  So collect another nickle for my post, you believe what you like, I know what I've seen.

[R/T]

"Sequence Number: 104590                 
 104590 = 4590th car built"

This is not quite accurate, the cars were not built sequentially on the assembly lines. Broadcast sheet sequence numbers have more to do with cars built one right after the other, and sequential broadcast sheet numbers are sometimes for cars 3000 or more VIN numbers apart. Patterns are appearing, cars that were actually built one after the other usually have at least two things in common like color & vinyl top, interior color and four speed, N95 car with vinyl tops, and so on.

They also built models in groups together, Barracudas one day, Valiants and Dusters the next, on to Challengers, back to Barracudas and so on. A Valiant VIN ending in 444444 may be built weeks before or after a Challenger ending in 444445 as an example.

T/Ake care,
Barry

Thanks for the info Barry

[js27]

My 70 Challenger R/T is a Calif. Emisions car and it has chrome tip exiting out the back. I don't know why but it seems like mostly Cuda's had the turn downs.?
JS27