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Offline Dark Horse

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Bodywork steps
« on: March 26, 2002 - 07:57:45 PM »
Being someone who wants to learn how to do bodywork, I think it would be great if some members that are doing or have done some repairs can post some pics of the different stages of the work. and maybe a brief description of what's going on.
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Offline BIG MIKE

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Re: Bodywork steps
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2002 - 06:24:45 PM »
when i find the pictures i will post them, i can't take the credit for the work, i bought the car off a body guy in KY.
he did great work
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Offline Dark Horse

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Re: Bodywork steps
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2002 - 04:44:08 PM »
excellent sounds good Big Mike, it'll help get this section going   :D
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Offline BrokenShifter

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Re:Bodywork steps
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2003 - 07:51:15 PM »
I do my own bodywork and I start by cleaning the car with dish washing soap twice, takes oils and greases off better. Then before I start to sand I clean the area with Wax and Grease Remover and paper towels. Be generous with the paper towels. Throw the dirt away don't just smear it around. Don't want to sand the dirt in. Start sanding with 40 or 80 grit paper, Prime and progress to 220, 400 and finish to 600. Bare metal should be treated with Anti Corrosion substance. Then primer with Corrosion Resistant Primer, in areas that need block sanded use a Primer with more fill to it. The Anti Corrosion Primer Dupont makes is a non-sanding Primer. Paint on it without sanding from 1-24 hours. Nice for trunks, engine bay. I use their Euro-Prime for high build, quarters, fenders and on top the hood. Always clean with Wax and Grease Remover before painting any and all Primer or Base Coats. remember even High Build Primers will not correct bad bodywork.

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Re:Bodywork steps
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2003 - 09:37:28 AM »
I haven't progressed far enough on my 71 R/T that I've been doing body work, but I do have a ton of links on my website that show the whole process. A lot of them start with a rusty project and finish with a sweet looking machine.

http://typhoon-casualties.com/restore.html

I've found that Sandy's Garage is the best place to learn each step, as he writes up a full commentary and posts pics of what's happening.

http://www.sandysgarage.com/current.html

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Re:Bodywork steps
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2003 - 12:56:14 AM »
Love your idea.
I am currently doing a complete restoration of a very rusted 70 aar cuda. I have completed the front frames, front torque boxes, torsion bar cross member, front floors, 4 spd hump and trans tunnel.
I just now finished installing a replacement pass side rear frame, wheel house,  suspension mount and rear portion of rocker panel. I have lots of photos, but the photos are not digital. I may be able to scan and add text, I will try if you are interested. Let me know.
I am now starting to replace the drivers side rear frame rail and wheel house.  If you want , I will take digital photos and post as I go.
I will do the trunk floors and extensions and then the rear quarters after the drivers rear frame rail.
The front of the car and the pass side rear frame turned out great and is ready for the trunk floor, extension and quarter panel, I can post photos of this if you want.

This stuff is really not that difficult, you just remove the panels that are rusted, being very careful to pay attention and document or photo as you go and replace with new or donor sheetmetal. I do one side of the car at a time so I can reference the other undisturbed side with dimensions and correctness. It helps a lot to be able to measure and see the other side if you do not have another car to reference. As you take it apart, you think you will remember, but my experience is that you wont ;). So having the undisturbed side to reference is great.
I will shoot a pic of the just finished pass side rear frame rail and wheel house tommorrow and post. Tell me what you want to know about the procedure.
I am teaching  youth in the community body work, frame work etc with this car. Its great. They love the old muscle cars, but have no idea how to restore them. They are great help drilling spot welds and positioning panels etc. I even give them a try at the mig welder and initial body filler application over the welds. Everyone hates the sandblasting, but having bare clean metal to work with is the only way to go.
I always try to remove the old metal on the factory spot welds and replace the new with the same pattern of spot welds (I actaully mig weld the spots not spot weld) and it is stronger than original when completed although you can see the difference between spot and mig until sanded and primed, then it all dissapears.
Eastwood makes a great spot weld remover that works super for removing the hundreds of spot welds. After the spot welds are removed, the original panels come out just like they went in. Then drill 3/8 holes in the new replacement panels to duplicate the locations of the original spot welds and then mig weld (rosette) the holes in the same spots as the original spot welds.  In floor panels I weld the seams complete instead of just spot welding to eliminate any chance of moisture entering from below. Not original, but much stronger and no moisture concerns. Its under the carpet and not seen anyway. If you sand blast down to bare metal and study it (for days if necessary), you will see how the original panels are put together, drill out the spot welds and then just replace each panel one at a time with repro steel or sand blasted and cleaned used panels from a donor car. Make sure you brace the car to prevent any movement or twisiting of the body as you remove each panel. Another reason to do one side at a time, is that the undisturbed side helps keeps the bodies structural integrity and correct shape and dimensions. If you do this right, the car will be straighter than when it came off the assembly line. They were not actually all that perfect so dont worry to much.
I love this part of car restoration. There is nothing better than bringing a rusted piece of history back to its as new (or better) condition (well maybe one thing  ;D) The worse to start, the better. I am hooked on body work, muscle cars and kids. If I can just figure out how to make a living combining those 3.
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Re:Bodywork steps
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2003 - 06:42:28 AM »
Dark Horse,

I too am a bit new to this.  I'll be doing most of the work myself on my 74 Challenger.  I'd love to see a few posts on "Tips & Tricks" people have discovered along the way.  I'll be welding, sandblasting, fabricating, filling, primering, painting etc.  

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Re:Bodywork steps
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2003 - 04:30:47 PM »
b5blueaar:

     Your AAR sounds as rusted as my 1971 convertible barracuda was.  I replaced probably 85% of the original sheetmetal on my car, plus frame repairs where rust took its toll.

     One tip I would like to pass along (and add to your very detailed post).  Instead of drilling out the replacement panel for your "plug" weld (rosette), try using a metal punch to make the 3/8 inch holes.  I personally found drilling to be a pain, while the hand held metal punch would make clean, quick holes in the metal.  I think I paid $20 for my metal punch; I bought mine through  NorthernTools (www.NorthernTool.com), but Eastwood, Harbor Freight, Snap-On, Sears, etc. probably offer something similar.  I wish I bought mine when I started my project.

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Re:Bodywork steps
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2003 - 07:40:30 PM »
mustardketchup:
hey thank, the punch idea sounds great. I have seen those work and just did not think of using it for this. (too busy drilling all those holes to stop and think)
do you still have the 71 convertible?
Post a pic if you can.
I would love to do a convertible next.
I may even convert a coupe into a convertible if i have to.

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Re:Bodywork steps
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2003 - 03:16:33 PM »
b5blueaar:

     Yes, I still have the '71 convertible.  By June 30th, I vowed that I would send the car to a local body shop for paint (too many painting restrictions & neighbors very close to me in New Jersey, plus I have never painted a car before).  So for the next 86 days, I will be working full-tilt attempting to finish all the little sheetmetal tasks left on the car.

     I'm trying to move into the 21st century and get familiar with the technology to post my pictures of my project.  But until I figure that out (and do my taxes), the posting of pictures will have to wait.

     Larry