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Offline 422STROKER

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What do you think?
« on: July 18, 2006 - 06:17:28 PM »
I've been looking for a cheap reliable starting point for a 360 and found that I can get a complete rebuilt longblock from Autozone for $1250 w/o shipping.  I think I saw a mag article a few years ago about them getting on swapping cam and getting decent power.  What do you guys/gals think.  Is it worth it?  What do you think the specs(compression) for it would be  Part # is dd05 it is listed under that # on many rebuilder sites.  Not looking for a strip stormer but more than my current 318.  I was thinking of adding some decent heads later as money allowed.  Any info appreciated.

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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2006 - 06:19:42 PM »
I have no experience there, but that is a nice price, I'll say that.  :2thumbs:



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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2006 - 07:54:16 PM »
I would be leery of the Autozone motor unless you know who is the rebuilder on it. I have pulled them apart and found 4 #1 rods.  That could throw off some balance.  Do you know how to rebuild an engine?  The 360 is a great motor that is overshadowed by the 340.  That is good for you.  It makes them cheaper.  I would look for a Premium 360 if you can find one.  They have the good stuff in them.  Police cars, Little Red Trucks and 79 300's have the Premium motor.  I  bought one at a show for $100.  If you want to build a large cube small block use an early 360 block. If you go with the earlier blocks they share the 340 water jacket.  You can bore them out more than the later 360.  Bore it out to the 340 size and drop in a stroker crank you can get a lot of torque and not run a radical cam.  It will go.  You'll be surprised.  Good Luck.
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2006 - 12:56:41 AM »
my experince is yuo get what you pay for , it sounds cheap , probably not  a lot of quality parts used

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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2006 - 01:43:24 AM »
my experince is yuo get what you pay for , it sounds cheap , probably not  a lot of quality parts used

id be very leary, and probably would never run a parts place motor. autozone, checker, pep boys, w/e. I'd go for a MP 360 Crate. few more bucks, but better parts, and much more motor.
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2006 - 06:15:36 AM »
My experience with mass rebuyilder type engiens is you get less than you pay for..Even when they are that cheap. The machine work is 3rd rate, the parts are the cheapest stock replacement stuff they can find, and it is asembled with enough care to get it out of the warranty period. That's it. If you work it at all, it will die very quickly. And by die, I mean maybe not throw a rod, but it will start to smoke, make strange noises, leak like a sieve(sp?), and lose power. They do wierd things too. They dont like to measure or find the smallest oversize to limit stress to the cylinder walls. They bore .060 over when max should be .040, and .040 when max should be .030. They do that because it's easier to bore once way bigger, than do it once, maybe have too much wear or damage to clean up, and have to do it again. because they dont measure for taper, or wear. They also get better pricing when they buy thousands of one size, as opposed to a few hundred sets of each needed oversize. The heads are worse. They dont ever replace valves. Nor do they properly do guides. I keep 2 examples from a cheap Auto Tek longblock on my desk at home. came from the same head. (I still have the "308" cores..lol) One is 1.60, but with a valve job cut. The other is a 1.50 from a 318, also with a cut. Both have the stems trimmed. Not polished..cut, then polished. because it's cheaper to true the stems by cutting, and then using a smaller guide insert, than it is to replace the valve, and replace the guide. both valves were way sunk as far as seats go. The end result..The cutting removes the hardest layer from the valve stem. So it wears out in tens of thousands of mild miles. Remember, it's warranteed for 12 months. The next issue, when it starts to smoke (and not a little BTW...) you pull the heads to have the valve job done. Except, the guides are too small for chrysler type valves. So, you need new valves, and complete sets of new guides, just to get them functional. Nevermind the single cut valve job done (as opposed to 3, 5, or 7 angles being but) and the reusing of trashed valve springs (check out the shim stacks under them to get the tension up and correct the seat sinking)
You'd have better luck finding a running core, and having a reputable shop go thru it the right way. Or even go thru it the somewhat right way, but use the right parts. A good performance rebuild will cost at least $3K around me. It should include every part new except the castings for block, crank, and rods. Those should be completely machined on quality equipment. Then you'll be happy for years, not months.
Stay away from mass rebuilders... :puke:

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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2006 - 07:57:28 AM »
my experince is yuo get what you pay for , it sounds cheap , probably not  a lot of quality parts used

 :iagree: I agree with what everyone has said so far.

I would be afraid of the quality of parts they use in the rebuild and the rebuilders themselves. Not to stereotype but I would imagine that these people putting these engines together aren't putting a lot of quality parts into these cheaper motors and the quality assembly into them. 

Even with MP engines people recommend a complete tear down and inspection.

Auto Zone used to be Auto Palace, which usesd to be ADAP ( At least in New England).  I used to work at ADAP/Auto Palace and the quality of some of there parts was lacking. 

That was a long time ago but like Chryco said you get what you pay for.
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2006 - 02:52:28 PM »
OK OK I get the pic,  how about 9:1 mp shortblock w/some Aeroheads w/port-polish or eddy aluminum box stock?  Eddy intake+carb?  Someday tti headers.
I just thought that eventually I'd pump it up when money was available but I guess I can swing the 3500 for a good setup.
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What do you think of the cam that comes w/it? I think it may be more than I need but it comes w/it. 509cam
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2006 - 08:06:19 PM »
It will work.  I do not know if you will build the optimum cylinder pressure for the cam. You can always change the cam if you don't like it. 
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2006 - 08:10:51 PM »
I think the 509 might be a little bumpy for my tastes but I could swap it for something like a 484? still make good power w/the combo above?

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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2006 - 08:39:36 PM »
In my opinion ,yes. 
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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2006 - 06:18:07 AM »
I would go with the smaller chamber edelbrocks, and I'd swap the cam, and while it's on a stand, double check the lower end assembly too. That would be a strong engine, until you could build a better short for the heads.

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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2006 - 10:51:01 AM »
I'm really glad "Moper", and others, have pointed out that "you get what you pay for".

Anybody interested in going through a "theoretical", on paper, actual, whats required for a "good rebuild" in the way of labor, using even the crappiest "cheap" parts ?

Might open a few eyes as to price expectations.

VERY, labor intensive and EXPENSIVE.

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Re: What do you think?
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2006 - 05:45:06 PM »
Thank You all for your info.  Maybe someday soon "Brown" will visit me.

Tom

When you say check the bottom end do you mean check clearances rod/main bearings? I've only built a 440 years ago(assembly) I used plastiguage to check clearances.  Do you pull a rod/piston to check ring end gap?  If I really need to do this maybe I'll just build a block from scratch.

Thanks Again
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