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Offline Ornamental

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High output, low maintenance small block?
« on: January 18, 2007 - 08:26:44 AM »
I have just ordered a Alterktion to make my Chally even more fun to drive, but the real fun comes with more power!
But preferrably more power from a small block. The only reasons for me to keep having a small block is handling (Less weight), mileage (Actually, it's not that important), and that i already have a small block 727.

Basically, what i wish from a small block is low maintenance, and a lot of power.
I wonder, how much hp can be squeezed out of a LA before it becomes a high maintenance engine?
Also, it should run on unleaded pump gas (90-92 octane).
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Re: High output, low maintenance small block?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2007 - 12:31:06 PM »
the LA engine is not a problematic engine , you can make a lot of power reliably with them but with any engine the more power generally the shorter the life span , the biggest issue with them is the quirky pushrod angle that requires much stroner pushrods & high RPM rod oiling issues , other than that they have great rod ratio & can be easily stroker up to more then 400"

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Re: High output, low maintenance small block?
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2007 - 07:00:21 PM »
Dont know what the budget is, but this would be bad!

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Re: High output, low maintenance small block?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2007 - 10:39:46 PM »
That Hemi would be sweet.
Getting above around 450 HP will require you to modify the oil galleys. As always you should blend your oil pump and your rear main cap. The Melling 72HV ,preferred pump for hopped up LA, does not quite match up with the main's oil feed. Get the oil pressure releif spring for the pump also.
More tricks are going 1 size up on your oil lines and a oil galley crossover line in your lifter valley.
Building a large displacement LA or Magnum is alot easier with all the 4.00" stroker cranks out there. If you are going above 425hp, you should look for a forged crank. Use of I or H beam 6.123" rods is recommended for a happy engine life when it lives with 425+ hp.
As always, a good set of heads is required. There is a set of iron heads that seem to be a great product for the money. It will be harder to obtain good numbers with stock open chamber heads, so check out what Hughes has.
 http://www.hughesengines.com/general/techArticleDetail.asp?articleID=1000042
You will need to get your fluids moving better for sure. The oil mods above along with an electric fuel pump( I don't know of a mechanical unit that will support high hp) and a good radiator/higher volume water pump (bigger engines create more heat).

An even cheaper route would be a stock build up with the addition of a cast 4.00" crank, KB hypereutectic pistons, 2.02 heads with a bowl blend, and Eddy Torker II intake. $400 cast crank, $200 for KB 10:1 pistons, $$$ for valve job, bowl blend, and upsize valves. Get second hand internet intake and your in buisness with a whole lot more power.
BTW, 400 HP is alot of power and this engine could easily do it with mostly stock parts AND probably have the world renowned LA longevity and reliability.

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Re: High output, low maintenance small block?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2007 - 10:42:03 PM »
BTW, I think you would have more reliability with the stroked, mostly stock, engine than with the 380 horse crate.
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Re: High output, low maintenance small block?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2007 - 12:19:37 AM »
The things i've read about Mopar's own crates makes my heart ache for Mother Mopar and her quality control.
So, i'm thinking about having a built crate engine, i'm very positive towards Mopar Engines West. Building up the engine i already have will be almost as costly as a new crate (Norway is a high-cost country), so that decision is a no-brainer.

Just have to make up my mind on whether i'll stick with LA, or go B/RB. 
The powerlevels i'm after should be attainable with a LA, around 450 hp, it's only the matter of longevity / low maintenance, and fuel consumption i need to figure out.



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Re: High output, low maintenance small block?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2007 - 12:37:13 AM »
If you stay with a small block, get some aluminum heads with a good quench and you can run much higher compression than the stock iron heads.  I have 10:1 without a problem, but I have heard of 11:1 and higher if other things are chosen correctly.  Just do a bunch of research and reading.
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Re: High output, low maintenance small block?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2007 - 01:07:54 AM »
stay away from the KB pistons , spend a few more $$ & usea forged piston

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Re: High output, low maintenance small block?
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2007 - 10:23:51 AM »
If you build a 360, it will be cheaper. 450hp is a not hard with a 0 maintenance hydraulic cam..But you'll be making it at 6000 rpm. I would build a 408. (360 with a 4" crank) Use good rods, good pistons (not hypereutectics), and good heads. It will make 480hp at 5500, run pump garbage fuel all day, and you dont need to worry too much about longevity. It wont last 100K miles..But thew car wont be driven that much..lol. I've seen plenty of well built strokers go over 50K miles with daily use. In terms of $$, a good 360 will run you $5-6K(us$ ;)) from carb to pan. A 408 will run $6-7 carb to pan.