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Offline AMXguy

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Six Pack Cam?
« on: September 14, 2008 - 05:43:14 PM »
I'm sure I could research it out but does anyone know what make and model of replacement camshaft is the closest to the factory '70 440 six pack cam?
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Re: Six Pack Cam?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2008 - 07:32:20 PM »
Why settle for close, if you can demand exact? Just call a custom grinder and request the original grind. Depending upon the source used, it's either a 276/292 gross duration cam with about .450" lift, or it's a 268/284 cam with the same lift figures. And, as far as that goes, the original camshaft suffered from one major drawback- it was designed in 1967. How about a better cam, that runs smoother, and makes more torque and horsepower? They are out there, and again, the cam grinders can help you with recommendations that will get you what you are really looking for.

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Re: Six Pack Cam?
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2008 - 05:26:16 AM »
Mopar still sells the factory cam , but I agree the more modern designs work better

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Re: Six Pack Cam?
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2008 - 09:01:26 AM »
The Mopar part number for the resto six pack cam is P4529270........

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Re: Six Pack Cam?
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2008 - 01:55:30 PM »
Neil,

Lets say he has a stock 6pk set up on a stock 440.  What cam would you recommend?

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Re: Six Pack Cam?
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2008 - 01:58:40 PM »
I would say to go a little bigger also
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Offline AMXguy

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Re: Six Pack Cam?
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2008 - 01:59:07 PM »
What cam would be simalar but maybe an improvement over the original? my Challenger six pack runs hard but the cam in it 288/288 duration and 485/507 lift is a little lumpy for my casual knocking around. both my cars are 4 speeds so that's not the problem I'd just like a little more low end for easier drivability.
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Re: Six Pack Cam?
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2008 - 02:52:44 PM »
I would suggest one of the Comp X-treme versions.  Maybe the 268/280, Lift .477/ .480 for great low-end/midrange or  274/ 286, Lift .488/ .491 for a little more top-end.  Or maybe the X-treme/Hi-lift version 275/ 287, Lift .525/ .525 for even more power.  The last two might be close to your current cam.

Chryco will say to use an Eagle cam.  I do not know them very well so I will let him speak for those.
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Re: Six Pack Cam?
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008 - 08:14:20 PM »
I can also speak for the quality of Engle-s camshafts. The centerline was right on, and the grind was as ordered. For a 440 with this setup, I would back off the duration a bit, to say about 286/300 gross duration, with a .050" lift duration between 220 and 230 degrees. The lift should stay at about .500", as this will make the cam idle smoother, with gobs of power in the midrange, and a decent top end. Talk to the tech reps at Engle, and they will help you, really. The most important thing to remember  is with stock valve sizes, the Chrysler bigblock likes a split pattern, with about 16 degrees of difference in the duration. With a bigger exhaust valve, a single pattern becomes more acceptable. This means that an engine with the 2.08"/1.74" valves, it wants a split pattern; with a 2.08"/1.81" (or 1.88"), the cam can be a single pattern, with no loss of horsepower or torque. When the valves become 2.19"/1.81" (or 1.88"), the cam wants to be a split pattern again. Another thing to keep in mind, is that Engle knows that the big lifters used in our engines can take a faster acceleration ramp, and a faster deceleration ramp, thus making more cylinder pressure for any given duration. Never accept Chevy lobes on your MOPAR cam.

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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2008 - 09:19:49 PM »
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Re: Six Pack Cam?
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2008 - 09:50:55 PM »
I use a comp ex275hl in my 440-6 and it's ok. I have 214/181 valves 906 heads cut .010 steel shim h gaskets and kb 237 pistons with eagle rods. I have to run 93 octane for a minimum in order to keep the timing up close where it should be. I have enough power for a street car with a full factory exhaust. Lumpity idle with good bottom end and a decent top end charge. It pulls to 6200 good.  A little lifter noisey under the hood that lots of people complain about, like it has a solid or something. But very streetabe and idles at 650 rpm with no problems. Complete stock holley carb set up and jetting. I have been curious about the agle grind cams and may try a bigger one out on the next engine. Was also considering a lunati cam to

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Re: Six Pack Cam?
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2008 - 02:34:25 AM »
Lunati are the ticket :2thumbs: I learnt that they are the same shared cam as the old Ultradyne cams and they were awesome, thanks CP......................... :jumping:
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Re: Six Pack Cam?
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2008 - 03:35:07 AM »
Super Cuda is right on , with no port work the heads will stall around .500 lift but you do not need a lot of duration to get to .500 lift , so the vacuum & throttle response is easy to retain I would use an Engle  K54 / K56 split or a K 56/K58 split in a stock 440+6 , , you need a 112* CL if you are using cast manifolds , or 110 with headers
 Lunati VooDoo has a similar grind pattern available so they are4 good too
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