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Re: Opinions on H4 bulb choice?
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2008 - 03:25:01 PM »
Those are H4 conversions housings, I have those ordered up and will be modifying them to work correctly with the HID projectors.




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Re: Opinions on H4 bulb choice?
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2008 - 04:54:32 PM »
Those are H4 conversions housings, I have those ordered up and will be modifying them to work correctly with the HID projectors.
Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference?
Brooks

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Re: Opinions on H4 bulb choice?
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2008 - 05:18:17 PM »
H4 bulbs are a type of halogen bulb.  HID bulbs use a special xenon gas filled bulb connected to a ballast which generates a high voltage.  The high voltage creates an arc in the bulb which creates that light.  Because of their design they need a special projector to focus the light and control cutoff and glare.  They do sell kits to put these bulbs in H4 or just about any bulb housing, but they really need the projector to get the most out of them.  My brother has them in his Tiburon, and while they work okay they would produce far less glare to other drivers and light up a much greater distance if he had installed HID projectors.  That's another thing, halogen bulb projectors are not the same as HID projectors and won't work right either.  It's kind of like when you replace our incadescent bulbs with LED's, it's a totally different kind of light and doesn't glow in all directions like conventional bulbs.  Another issue is low and high beam, most use a seperate bulb for each so you lose high if you dont use a bixenon setup.  Most cheap aftermarket one's use a conventional halogen for high.  OEM bixenon units use a servo motor to angle the bulb or an electromagnet to pull the arc up or down.  The ones I will be using for my low beam positions are bixenon projectors out of an Infiniti FX35, they use a solenoid to tilt the bulb.

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Re: Opinions on H4 bulb choice?
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2008 - 10:54:08 AM »
Wow!  Thanks for the info.  I guess I did the "first half" of the conversion.  Good luck!
Brooks

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Re: Opinions on H4 bulb choice?
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2008 - 01:35:30 AM »
This is an excellent site for info about automotive lighting, and a source for high quality parts.  He also used to be Slant Six Dan on the Mopar Mailing List years ago.  Recommended.

You will probably not like what he has to say about HID retro-kits though.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com

I have matched sets of Carello H4 and H1 units in my Challenger, but I don't know how hard they'd be to find these days; they were used on Italian cars in the '70s and '80s (not in the US though).  They are running German-made Hella bulbs (all bought back in the mid-'80s).  Excellent light and patterning.

The lighting forum I've read indicates that Silverstars are available in the Osram _and_ the Sylvania brand; the Osrams are reportedly better, but I've been happy enough with the Sylvanias in my Jeep.

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Re: Opinions on H4 bulb choice?
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2008 - 11:13:45 AM »
That is some good info. I agree with him completely, I will be installing all the HID guts (bulbs, ballasts, projectors) into the bulb housings which is the only right way to do the conversion.  He also said that near the end of the article.  It will definitely cost more money and require more work, but I want to do it right.  My brother has the quickie bulb and ballast retrofits. They are bright but they don't illuminate that far away, and the light scatters a fair amount too.  I have my H4 housings now, and have seperated the glass from the backing.  Now I need to order all of the HID parts.

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Re: Opinions on H4 bulb choice?
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2009 - 02:20:50 AM »
This is very interesting. Keep us posted!  :popcorn:
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Re: Opinions on H4 bulb choice?
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2009 - 08:45:29 PM »
Quagmire - overvoltage will kill lights faster than anything else. What happens is the lights run brighter on higher voltage (everyone knows that) but what comes with the extra brilliance is way more heat on the filament. Hit those bumps and eventually the filament breaks as it is much more brittle at the higher voltage. Put some sort of digital voltmeter on your car whilst you are running it. Others say much higher, but I would recommend no more than 13.8 to 14.5V with the alternator charging. Just for a test put a 150W bulb in your trouble light then tap it when it is warm, until it blows. Then try the same with a 60W - needs more hammering to get it to blow. The 150W bulb runs more hotter.
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Re: Opinions on H4 bulb choice?
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2009 - 11:44:46 PM »
Are you referring to the Silverstar life?  I've had them on a few cars and they never lasted long.  Sylvania doesn't even rate them as having a very long life either anymore.  I know quite a few people running them also that have noticed pretty short lifespans.  The charging systems on all of the cars I've had experience with these bulbs was fine.  The stock lights never had any issues either.  I've already purchased the H4 conversion housings I will be modifying to install HID projectors, it's just a matter of getting the projectors now and making them fit.
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