So much for the rich only getting tax increase?

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Offline BIGSHCLUNK

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Re: So much for the rich only getting tax increase?
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2009 - 11:17:30 PM »
Not an issue my friend. I figured people would kinda like to know what to expect on next weeks check, if you know what I mean.  :thumbsup:
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Re: So much for the rich only getting tax increase?
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2009 - 11:36:18 PM »
...a new federal tax on cigarettes and most tobacco products goes into effect April 1st....a little over $6. per carton increase...most smokers are lower/middle income

The logic behind that has always been smokers add Millions onto our health care costs. The truth is smokers die way before non-smokers do and cost the whole system LESS. Many never collect a dime of Social Security or Medicare. The real truth is the people sucking up the most Social security and Medicare $$$ are the ones that paid little into the system in the first place, live to be 98 YO and run to the doctor every time they have a hangnail or just want somebody to talk to, because they're lonely. :grinyes:
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Re: So much for the rich only getting tax increase?
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2009 - 11:46:14 PM »
 I think the state handles the vehicle reg fees. Out here they raised it 20% last year. When the budget crisis in Ca happened in early 2009 they said the new law (license fee) will almost double. I have 2 newer cars coming due in June. :faint:

 Sales tax goes up to 8.25% April 1st.  :bricks1: State Income tax increased too. Glad I'm unemployed at least they won't get that.   :sadwavey:

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Re: So much for the rich only getting tax increase?
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2009 - 11:55:01 PM »
The logic behind that has always been smokers add Millions onto our health care costs. The truth is smokers die way before non-smokers do and cost the whole system LESS. Many never collect a dime of Social Security or Medicare. The real truth is the people sucking up the most Social security and Medicare $$$ are the ones that paid little into the system in the first place, live to be 98 YO and run to the doctor every time they have a hangnail or just want somebody to talk to, because they're lonely. :grinyes:

You make an interesting point. This is according to the New England Journal of Medecine:
Background Although smoking cessation is desirable from a public health perspective, its consequences with respect to health care costs are still debated. Smokers have more disease than nonsmokers, but nonsmokers live longer and can incur more health costs at advanced ages. We analyzed health care costs for smokers and nonsmokers and estimated the economic consequences of smoking cessation.

Methods We used three life tables to examine the effect of smoking on health care costs — one for a mixed population of smokers and nonsmokers, one for a population of smokers, and one for a population of nonsmokers. We also used a dynamic method to estimate the effects of smoking cessation on health care costs over time.

Results Health care costs for smokers at a given age are as much as 40 percent higher than those for nonsmokers, but in a population in which no one smoked the costs would be 7 percent higher among men and 4 percent higher among women than the costs in the current mixed population of smokers and nonsmokers. If all smokers quit, health care costs would be lower at first, but after 15 years they would become higher than at present. In the long term, complete smoking cessation would produce a net increase in health care costs, but it could still be seen as economically favorable under reasonable assumptions of discount rate and evaluation period.

Conclusions If people stopped smoking, there would be a savings in health care costs, but only in the short term. Eventually, smoking cessation would lead to increased health care costs.

So it basically backs up your proposal of costs.
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Re: So much for the rich only getting tax increase?
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2009 - 12:14:55 AM »
My Dad passed away at age 87. He was a lifer in the Army and retired a Sargent Major after 27 years. He survived WWII, Korea and two tours in Nam. He told me he got out because he was sure he wouldn't come back if they sent him there again. He never ate healthy at all and never took care of himself. He got Diabetes and that almost killed him when he lost a bunch of weight. On top of that he smoked Winstons most of his life.
I think he was over 70 when he quit. He was still sharp as a tack mentally when he passed on but his heart finally gave out. My Mom never smoked and she's now 89, but she has severe Alzheimers and is in a rest home. We had to put her there when we found knives hidden all over the house and we were afraid she would kill Dad.

I think pretty much when you hit 70-75 things get kinda sloppy and quality of life declines. You can pop 20 pills every day for all your problems and wear a depends so you don't crap your pants, but your life sucks. Think I'd rather check out earlier than that.  :drunk:
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Re: So much for the rich only getting tax increase?
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2009 - 12:48:11 PM »
Withhoding rates went down, there was not a  tax cut.
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Re: So much for the rich only getting tax increase?
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2009 - 03:09:53 PM »
My Dad passed away at age 87. He was a lifer in the Army and retired a Sargent Major after 27 years. He survived WWII, Korea and two tours in Nam. He told me he got out because he was sure he wouldn't come back if they sent him there again. He never ate healthy at all and never took care of himself. He got Diabetes and that almost killed him when he lost a bunch of weight. On top of that he smoked Winstons most of his life.
I think he was over 70 when he quit. He was still sharp as a tack mentally when he passed on but his heart finally gave out. My Mom never smoked and she's now 89, but she has severe Alzheimers and is in a rest home. We had to put her there when we found knives hidden all over the house and we were afraid she would kill Dad.

I think pretty much when you hit 70-75 things get kinda sloppy and quality of life declines. You can pop 20 pills every day for all your problems and wear a depends so you don't crap your pants, but your life sucks. Think I'd rather check out earlier than that.  :drunk:

Looks like you've been blessed with some pretty good genes. Got a buddy of mine that just went for his first bypass surgery. To fun one where they ahve to crack you chest open. Not through the ribs. He is 38. Never smoked a day in his life. Ate relatively well. Go figure...