Author Topic: Alterktion question (Read 9251 times)

abodyjoe · « **Reply #15 on:** November 28, 2009 - 11:05:10 AM »

Quote from: fletch on November 26, 2009 - 05:18:32 AM

Hello Guys/Girls,

I have been trying to get in touch with Bill (bill@reillymotorsports.com)from RMS regarding a couple of queries about a front & rear suspension package(Lead time/freight etc).
Have sent a couple of E-Mails over the past week & a half with no reply.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Craig

ok back to the original question. give him a call and if there is no answer leave a message. you will find that his customer service is second to none...

Reilly MotorSports, Inc.
2323 White Haven Rd.
White Haven, PA. 18661
Phone - 570-443-7440

Hours Are 9am - 5pm Eastern Time.

Devil · « **Reply #16 on:** November 28, 2009 - 11:25:22 AM »

Lets see now, last time I talked to Ebooger he said that he wouldn't put one in his car because of the same reasons I listed here, and Bolig said something similar as well.

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand transfer of energy. I don't need a degree in engineering to know what is going on with the front suspension. It can break or rip out the K-member.

While the XV as seen in the picture provides a complete setup that is intergrated into the entire front subframe of the vehicle and is used in conjunction with other upgrades to the front end. 73+ Mopars still had the energy of the suspension travel sent back along the torsion bars and distributed to the cross member.

There are others who know that this is a bad design for a regular car, and they have spoken up before. But they get lambasted like myself and don't care anymore. I do care about other people's cars and I want them to know ALL the information beforehand, that's why I speak up.

That is MY opinion though.

Ryan

abodyjoe · « **Reply #17 on:** November 28, 2009 - 12:21:52 PM »

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Lets see now, last time I talked to Ebooger he said that he wouldn't put one in his car because of the same reasons I listed here, and Bolig said something similar as well.

ebooger and you are the only two running around the net bad mouthing the alter-k. Bolig as in Randy Bolig? funny because like i said he did an article installing one in a b-body that was going to be beaten on the street and track. i was also standing right next to him at carlisle when he was praising the system that he just put in.

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While the XV as seen in the picture provides a complete setup that is intergrated into the entire front subframe of the vehicle and is used in conjunction with other upgrades to the front end.

i believe the only thing it uses is heavier shock mounts supplied by XV. they need to use heavier pieces there because thats where they chose to mount the coil over and the stock stuff isn't heavy enough. the alter-k mounts the col overs on brackets integrated into its main frame. they both run coil overs to support the cars weight, all that other stiffening stuff is optional. both mount in the same location. the alter-k actually has the shock mounts that bolt through the frame also.

are all those books you listed the same ones the engineers that designed the titanic read before building that disaster? lmao.

look i'm not gonna drag this thread out to 30 pages just to argue with you. all you are doing is repeting what one person said to you. its like talking to a freaking wall.

Devil · « **Reply #18 on:** November 28, 2009 - 12:32:50 PM »

It's funny you mention the Titanic... ships just like it worked and worked... til one day the Titanic hit an iceberg and sank killing over 1000 people. Then all those old ships had to change.

Ebooger, one of the most intelligent Mopar guys in the business, has worked on hundreds of Mopars, writes tech articles about Mopars every other month. Doesn't think it is a good idea either? Maybe there is something too it? Also Bolig said he was. Has he yet? I haven't read anything.

You're right, just because it works now, doesn't mean it always will.

And when people start having nothing intelligent to say, they begin insulting people to make it seem like they have something intelligent to say.

abodyjoe · « **Reply #19 on:** November 28, 2009 - 12:53:28 PM »

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Ebooger, one of the most intelligent Mopar guys in the business, has worked on hundreds of Mopars, writes tech articles about Mopars every other month. Doesn't think it is a good idea either? Maybe there is something too it? Also Bolig said he was. Has he yet? I haven't read anything.

just because someone writes a tech article doesn't mean he is the be all end all.. you should know that. ok he doesn't think its good.. is that because he truly doesn't think its good or maybe because RMS doesn't advertise in his magazine? we may never know. like i said. you and him are the only ones out there that i ever see bad mouth it. and personally i only see you repeat what he says so its really only him bad mouthing it.

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Also Bolig said he was. Has he yet? I haven't read anything.

like i said, i was standing righ there when he said it. weather you choose to believe it is your decision. i know he said it because i heard it come out of his mouth. as far as reading it goes i really don't know. i remember seeing it in the magazine a while back and he loved how easy it went in. i'm really not sure if the project is done or not yet because i don't get the magazine anymore. if your that interested in it then look in the archives of the magazine and find out for yourself. see how simple that is.

fletch · « **Reply #20 on:** November 28, 2009 - 03:28:10 PM »

Sorry, didn't mean to open up a hornets nest here.
While I'm sure both of them are good bits of gear,I just can't justify the extra couple of grand for the XV.
I'm not building the car for all out competition,just a nice cruiser that can handle a bit of drag racing.
True,the factory suspension would more than do what I wanted it to,but I,like Robert (IMNCARN82) & many others,want something a bit more exotic than the standard setup for my car.

Joe,thanks for the details.Will call Bill next week sometime.

Regards,

Craig

AprilsPink72Cuda · « **Reply #21 on:** November 28, 2009 - 03:36:27 PM »

Make sure everyone keeps this nice.

Thanks guys!

thedodgeboys · « **Reply #22 on:** November 28, 2009 - 05:14:15 PM »

Quote from: abodyjoe on November 28, 2009 - 12:53:28 PM

just because someone writes a tech article doesn't mean he is the be all end all.. you should know that. ok he doesn't think its good.. is that because he truly doesn't think its good or maybe because RMS doesn't advertise in his magazine? we may never know. like i said. you and him are the only ones out there that i ever see bad mouth it. and personally i only see you repeat what he says so its really only him bad mouthing it.

like i said, i was standing righ there when he said it. weather you choose to believe it is your decision. i know he said it because i heard it come out of his mouth. as far as reading it goes i really don't know. i remember seeing it in the magazine a while back and he loved how easy it went in. i'm really not sure if the project is done or not yet because i don't get the magazine anymore. if your that interested in it then look in the archives of the magazine and find out for yourself. see how simple that is.

I agree you cannot trust the magazine guys they write about whoever is giving them the free parts.
That just means they can kiss up but are no experts!

As a consumer you have to evaluate what bull they are passing off to sale ads to fill the pages.

Randy�s car is done some tobacco giveaway car; they also did one from an alterktion knock off.

I believe the facts are that the purest don�t like the new changes better or not.
The fact is this style of stuff has been around for years under all the street rods and gm\ford stuff for years and finely we can enjoy it under our dinosaurs.

Enjoy your car the way you want to enjoy it.
Scott

IMNCARN82 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 28, 2009 - 05:18:07 PM »

I LOVE MY CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It performs better than the original. No comparison. Just because you don't like it, Doesn't make it bad. Or dangerous. Why would you waste your time with it? Ohhhh.... You THINK you know. Now that IS dangerous. I respect your opinion Devil.I really do. But where do you get your info?

efidart · « **Reply #24 on:** January 08, 2010 - 01:36:56 PM »

Hey Ryan did you ever hear of the story of XV motorsports buying an Alter K and then copying it to build their own?

Did some self proclaimed expert give you the information your spewing out?

Your opinion does not matter because you have no CREDENTIALS, neither do the people you talk to. They trash other peoples setups to sell their own or to support their sponsors for that fact alone.

gkring · « **Reply #25 on:** January 08, 2010 - 06:52:27 PM »

Quote from: efidart on January 08, 2010 - 01:36:56 PM

Hey Ryan did you ever hear of the story of XV motorsports buying an Alter K and then copying it to build their own?

I have heard of at least two others copying the RMS alterkation, but no way can you confuse it with the XV stuff. XV stuff isn't perfect either. Anytime there are a minimum number of ways to build something there will be accusations of copying.

HP2 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 09, 2010 - 09:59:40 AM »

XV did buy an AlterK to evaluate it for their program. After reviewing it, they chose to develop their own set up.

Control Freaks is an outright copy of Alterk, only in round tube. The association of Alterk with the engineers doing the Mr Norm Hemi a bodies was suddenly terminated and it was shortly there after one of the Mr Norms guys came up with the control freaks design.

ragtopdodge · « **Reply #27 on:** January 09, 2010 - 03:41:11 PM »

Quote from: HP2 on January 09, 2010 - 09:59:40 AM

XV did buy an AlterK to evaluate it for their program. After reviewing it, they chose to develop their own set up.

Control Freaks is an outright copy of Alterk, only in round tube. The association of Alterk with the engineers doing the Mr Norm Hemi a bodies was suddenly terminated and it was shortly there after one of the Mr Norms guys came up with the control freaks design.

XV knows better than to just copy an existing design.

Tell me any coilover suspension that doesn't put all the weight on the frame? Where else would it go? And the Alter-k k-frame is much beefier than the OEM frame rails so the weight is being mainly distributed on the alter-k k-frame in additon to the front frame rails.

All modern suspensions either use mcPherson struts or coilovers w/a-arms. Who uses torsion bars on their performance cars these days?

'nuff said. I guess E-booger is the nobel laureate of front suspension.

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