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Re: Proform 850 Carb Help
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2010 - 03:36:09 AM »
be sure you radapter plate is sealed to the carb & manifold , it is not uncommon for them to leave a part  of it uncovered

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Re: Proform 850 Carb Help
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2010 - 09:07:51 AM »
It also looks like you should have the vacuum advance attached above the right idle mixture screw. This is traditionally the ported vacuum source on this style of carburetor. Although there is frequently a ported source on the front of the carb, this one is always a ported source.

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Re: Proform 850 Carb Help
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2010 - 03:48:35 PM »
Saga update: last night, I switched the vacuum advance line to the correct port and I did not notice any difference.  The car still behaves the same-- it won't idle and dies immediately if I give it any gas.

While looking at it again last night, I did notice through the that my fuel bowls were pretty full.  For one bowl, the fuel line was almost to the top and for the other, it looked totally full.  I don't see any gas leaking out or smell lots of gas in the carb, so I'm not sure if this is an issue or not.  Note that I have not messed much with any of the carb adjustments, as I confirmed with the mfg that the carb comes fairly well adjusted already.

Right now, I'm suspecting a few things could be wrong and would appreciate any guidance.  Here are what I have as possibilities: vacuum leak at the intake/adapter/carb, starved for fuel, running too rich.

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Re: Proform 850 Carb Help
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2010 - 06:12:30 PM »
Like I said before, at this point the vacuum advance doesn't come into play, so it didn't matter if it was hooked up correctly or not.

You should just see the fuel touching the bottom of each sight glass. So it appears your floats need adjusted. Before I get into that, do you have a stock mechanical fuel pump, or an aftermarket electrical pump? Where I'm getting at there is if there is too much fuel pressure, it won't matter how you adjust the floats. You would need a regulator in the line to lessen the flow.

I know it doesn't seem this way to you, but I think we are making progress. This doesn't seem to be a starvation problem or vacuum leak if giving it gas causes it to stall.

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Re: Proform 850 Carb Help
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2010 - 07:37:22 PM »
Like I said before, at this point the vacuum advance doesn't come into play, so it didn't matter if it was hooked up correctly or not.

You should just see the fuel touching the bottom of each sight glass. So it appears your floats need adjusted. Before I get into that, do you have a stock mechanical fuel pump, or an aftermarket electrical pump? Where I'm getting at there is if there is too much fuel pressure, it won't matter how you adjust the floats. You would need a regulator in the line to lessen the flow.

I know it doesn't seem this way to you, but I think we are making progress. This doesn't seem to be a starvation problem or vacuum leak if giving it gas causes it to stall.

Thanks MEK-Dangerfield for your help!  It's much appreciated. 

To answer your questions, I'm almost positive that I have a mechanical/stock fuel pump (I'll check it and confirm for you).  Your comment about a fuel regulator triggered me to recall that while replacing the carb, I also replaced the old fuel filter b/c it was very dirty.  It could have been restricting the flow for the prior carb and I didn't realize it.  I now have a simple fuel filter that isn't restricting flow, which might be an issue.

Also, in doing some additional reading on common carb issues, I'm thinking another issue could be the (missing) PCV value.  I don't have one, as there were only 3 hoses on the old carb that I then reconnected to the new carb: fuel, vacuum advance, and the vacuum line for power brakes.  The other older cars I've owned had a PCV value, so I'm not sure what carb adjustments are necessary to run smoothly, if it is removed.
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Re: Proform 850 Carb Help
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2010 - 09:29:53 AM »
The PV vale is pretty much necessary for proper street operation. Blowby gases will build up in the crankcase, and eventually cause some obnoxious problems. Not the thing to worry about, now. It can cause the car tostall on opening the throttles, if you are too rich. It would stumble, maybe cough, and black smoke would precede the stall. If it stalls immediately upon opening the throttle, and there is no reamble, no stumble, just a sudden stall, she's too lean. This is not necessarily due to a lean idle; an improper accelerator pump setting or squirter can also cause this. The transition from idle to any other circuit in the carb, requires this shot of fuel to cover the sudden introduction of additional air. Four corner idle circuits can be tricky to tune, and the float level definitely needs to be adjusted. As stated, the best fuel level is at the absolute bottom of the sight plug, and should be the same on both primary and secondary sides. Try moving the idle mixture screws out 1/4 turn on all 4 corners, and see if the stall goes away. This is realy where you need to start, after confirming that there are no vacuum leaks around the carb base and adapter plate. After you make the stall go away, then you can properly tune the carb.

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Re: Proform 850 Carb Help
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2010 - 10:52:33 AM »
float adjustment ---> for a proform carb you should barely see gas just above the BOTTOM of the sight glass.
sounds to me like you have a vaccuum leak, usually on a vaccuum operated carb , when a vaccuum leak is present the carb will act like you stated .
turm idle mixture screws in all the way (dont crank them down) back out three turns .borrow or buy a vaccuum gauge and adjust mixture screws ti the highest vaccuum .
is the secondary throttle linkage stuck ? when you  crack the throttle you should only get throttle on primary, did you check for WOT before you started the car . todo this , with engine off push the linkage all the way and look dowm the carb at the throttle blades they should be all the way open and the secondaries should be all the way closed on a vaccuun operated carb , if not all the way open adjust WOT.   a car could seem to run RIGHT  with a vaccuum leak , if it only runs for a couple of seconds its not running good at all and has a vaccuum leak or a fuel problem to say the least . ---bill
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Re: Proform 850 Carb Help
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2010 - 05:13:33 PM »
Thanks guys for the great suggestions and I'll take a crack at it again this weekend.  I'm going to start from scratch and systematically check everything again.  What's frustrating for me is that the car ran great the day before I put on the new carb (I had an Edelbrock 1406 previously) and I was hoping that installing the new carb without changing anything else would not be too difficult.   :pullinghair:

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Re: Proform 850 Carb Help
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2010 - 09:24:58 AM »
It isn't difficult, just frustrating. Time-consuming, also. ALL carburetors need to be adjusted for the application, as we don't all run a 350cid smallblock with an RV cam and 9:1 compression. It doesn't help when we try to do omething simple, and get bitten by stupid things like failed gaskets that we didn't disturb, or vacuum ports we didn't see when we installed the carb. An open PCV port on the back of a carb can be an embarrassing whoops, and will make it difficult to get the car running (I've done this- we are all human). Check everything carefully, and then do thebasic tuning adjustments carefully, and patiently. I'm sure you can sort this out.

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Re: Proform 850 Carb Help
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2010 - 05:23:51 PM »
Supercuda, you are so right.

I just took everything apart again this afternoon and realized that the carb is dual feed vs. the single feed setup that I'm used to and had previously.  I feel like such an idiot and straigthening this out should solve my headaches and get me back on the road.
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Re: Proform 850 Carb Help
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2010 - 09:46:22 PM »
Supercuda, you are so right.

I just took everything apart again this afternoon and realized that the carb is dual feed vs. the single feed setup that I'm used to and had previously.  I feel like such an idiot and straigthening this out should solve my headaches and get me back on the road.

Update: carb is now installed correctly on the new intake manifold and there is definitely quite a difference in power compared to my prior Edelbrock carb.  I'm quite pleasd with the Proform 850 and I found it pretty easy to adjust without too much hassle. 

The difference in power feels very nice!  :drool:
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Re: Proform 850 Carb Help
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2010 - 01:09:55 AM »
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Re: Proform 850 Carb Help
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2010 - 09:49:36 AM »
I'm happy for you. Now go forth and blister some pavement!